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I think this is where we disagree. I don't see that, especially now that I believe Kyrie will be traded. How can you be so sure that Bennett, Karasev, Zeller will be anything other than draft busts?

I wish I had your optimism, but I've been let down too much by this organization to expect them to get it right.

Just so much wrong with this post.
 
This team needed a 10-0 run to win with 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter last night. What did they do? They fucking went on a 10-0 run and won the game.

I'm no fool and I understand that there's a lot of random chance involved in these things. But these Cavs are playing the kind of basketball that gives them a chance to do extraordinary things, and it would be foolish to count them out.

perhaps better than that, we were down 16 points with 7:47 left in the game. We held the Pistons to 5 points on 2-11 shooting the rest of the game as we went on a 22-5 run.
 
I think this is where we disagree. I don't see that, especially now that I believe Kyrie will be traded. How can you be so sure that Bennett, Karasev, Zeller will be anything other than draft busts?

I wish I had your optimism, but I've been let down too much by this organization to expect them to get it right.

What makes you think Kyrie is being traded?
 
I think this is where we disagree. I don't see that, especially now that I believe Kyrie will be traded. How can you be so sure that Bennett, Karasev, Zeller will be anything other than draft busts?

I wish I had your optimism, but I've been let down too much by this organization to expect them to get it right.

For the last time, Kyrie is not getting trade, I know that for a fact.

The Cavs will offer him the max contract extension and Kyrie will likely accept it, that is per Jason Lloyd.
 
I think this is where we disagree. I don't see that, especially now that I believe Kyrie will be traded. How can you be so sure that Bennett, Karasev, Zeller will be anything other than draft busts?

I wish I had your optimism, but I've been let down too much by this organization to expect them to get it right.

The idea that people debate this is so curious to me.

The idea that people believe this to be a fact boggles the mind.
 
Aside from that, the fact you see this "positive swing" at the end of the season means absolutely nothing, sans losing a good draft pick. It wouldn't carry over to next season, and even if it did, this team is about to get blown up. People need to start coming to terms with this season being a major step back. If they aren't headed for Atlanta Hawks-style NBA Purgatory, then this is the beginning of another long rebuild. Think 2010-2011 season. That is where this is at again.

How are you defining "blown up"? Blowing up a team is when you trade away assets for picks and tank for higher draft picks.

10 of our players are 23 or under. We have our own picks and are owed others in the next few years. We have no disastrous contracts. We have cap space this summer. We have a lot of tradable assets. We will attempt to combine assets to acquire better players or better fits. We will attempt to make a splash in free agency too.

There is zero chance we blow this team up or start another rebuild.
 
Roy Hibbert was drafted 17th.

Dwyane Wade was drafted 5th.

Paul George was drafted 10th.

Joakim Noah was drafted 9th.

Paul Milsap 47th.

Demar Rozen 9th.

Stephen Curry 7th.

Kobe Bryant 13th.

Dirk Nowitzki 9th.

Tony Parker 28th.

Al Jefferson 15th.

Isaiah Thomas 60th.

Goran Dragic 45th.

Nikola Pekovic 31st.

Zach Randolph 19th.

Andre Drummond 9th.

Deandre Jordan 35th.

Marcin Gortat 57th.

Marc Gasol 48th.

Anderson Varejao 30th.

Paul Pierce 10th.

Steve Nash 15th.

Omer Asik 36th.



I'm tired of hearing how our wins are getting us a worse player.
 
Notables in the last 30 #1 picks:


Akeem Olajuwon
Patrick Ewing^*
Brad Daugherty^
David Robinson^*
Shaquille O'Neal^
Chris Webber^
Allen Iverson^
Tim Duncan^
Yao Ming^
LeBron James^
Dwight Howard^
Derrick Rose^
Blake Griffin^[y]
John Wall^
Kyrie Irving^
Anthony Davis^

i get your argument, but..
 
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I'm sorry but this team is NOT going 9-1 the rest of the way and making the playoffs this year. Not happening.

Aside from that, the fact you see this "positive swing" at the end of the season means absolutely nothing, sans losing a good draft pick. It wouldn't carry over to next season, and even if it did, this team is about to get blown up. People need to start coming to terms with this season being a major step back. If they aren't headed for Atlanta Hawks-style NBA Purgatory, then this is the beginning of another long rebuild. Think 2010-2011 season. That is where this is at again.

Oh, and Mike Brown is the coach. ..

You are taking every positive thing that this team has going for them and turning it into a negative. Chill.

Where were you when we went on the six game winning streak?

This team will not get blown up. This positive swing is very good. It shows how much growth and improvement this team has gone throughout the season. Remember earlier in the season where they didn't know how to win games and/or close games? Well, they are learning that now.

Cavs are getting hot at the right time. Is it a little late? Possibly. But, it is a positive for the coaches, fans (some) and players. Cavs are in a groove right now without Kyrie and that is scary. No team wants to play them right now.
 
WARNING EXTREMELY NEGATIVE POST but extremely honest criticism.


^It's a kick in the balls because we can now really understand what kind of player we lost in LBJ. He was that transcendent of a player, we were lucky.

We're lucky enough to get Kyrie, is the same 7 year situation repeating itself? Better yet are the Cavs going into years 3-4 of Kyrie's young prime, and we still haven't gotten the proper talent around him. It is factual that we missed out on many key draft opportunities along the way.

I agree with Bennett, that's the way the NBA is going, but Tristan Thompson? Kinda just hoping that one PF will work out in the end. We should have been fuckin around drafting centers instead, if that was our mentality all along. Certainly one of Valanciunas or Drummond would have worked out in the end.

Instead we're swinging for a home run on a PF prospect. There were no 6-10 LaMarcus Aldridge prospects in those drafts, so why fuck around drafting power forwards?

If they always had their sights on LeBron James, why did we keep drafting power forwards? That's going to ultimately be his position as he ages; and the other 4 positions should be filled with the most skilled players at their respective positions. That's how to maximize James. Get Kawhi Leonard on his team, get a DeAndre Jordan or Andre Drummond on the same team as LeBron James.... tell me what happens. Put some shooters around them, and bingo you're contending for a championship.

Miami never had any of the caliber athletes from my aforementioned group, and yet the Cavaliers could have drafted every single one of those guys minus Jordan. It's a compounding Karma, when you make that one mistake, then everything else falls out of place, perhaps we wouldn't been in the same position years later, but maybe we could have snagged Oladipo to put into that group as well, or we could have burned many of our assets to get Bradley Beal, who will ultimately be a difference maker in a series with his shot making ability.


As good as you might think Waiters is, the entire franchise really started spiraling downward the moment we passed up on Drummond and took Waiters instead. Is he worth the headache? If you are getting D-Wade, absolutely; but just there's no misunderstanding here, Dion will never be as good as Wade.

So do you implement the feisty player who is the center of attention, tough, not really level headed, and is an on and off type of personality? Was that a great idea? Perhaps we should have interviewed him first instead.


The Cleveland thing to happen is that everyone is freaking out, we're ecstatic, they're about to burn down Bar Louie, but little do they know they just won the #1 pick in the most god-awful draft I can ever remember.

Then, the GM does exactly what Bill Simmons predicted and that's come out of left field with a bizarre pick. Many people felt that same way about the Tristan Thompson pick, and there's still many fans bitter that we missed out on Valanciunas.

I'm most pissed that we didn't end up with Valanciunas or Andre Drummond!!!! We literally could have taken both, but somehow we ended up with Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters. Yuck, I'm tasting bile coming up.....

Then, Anthony Bennett ladies and gentlemen. I am excited about the kid's potential, but if last summer you could have given me a peek into the future, I'd once again feel nausea coming on. You couldn't have asked for a worse start, and the worst 1st coach you could ever play under!!! And that's irrefutable.

Attention, has anyone watched the Detroit Pistons this year? DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK ANDRE DRUMMOND MAKES THIS TEAM BETTER RIGHT NOW?!?

Drummond is the better player today and better long-term prospect. But make no mistake at all, putting Andre Drummond on this team instead of Dion Waiters leads to roughly zero more wins. We'd still not be make the playoffs and instead of complaining about not taking Drummond it would be a different complaint.
 
Notables in the last 30 #1 picks:


Akeem Olajuwon
Patrick Ewing^*
Brad Daugherty^
David Robinson^*
Shaquille O'Neal^
Chris Webber^
Allen Iverson^
Tim Duncan^
Yao Ming^
LeBron James^
Dwight Howard^
Derrick Rose^
Blake Griffin^[y]
John Wall^
Kyrie Irving^
Anthony Davis^

i get your argument, but..


we weren't getting the overall #1 pick a 3rd time in 4 years.
 
all these meaningless wins are doing nothing but having the cavs pick around #10 instead of #8. the horror of failing to tank......
 
Notables in the last 30 #1 picks:


Akeem Olajuwon
Patrick Ewing^*
Brad Daugherty^
David Robinson^*
Shaquille O'Neal^
Chris Webber^
Allen Iverson^
Tim Duncan^
Yao Ming^
LeBron James^
Dwight Howard^
Derrick Rose^
Blake Griffin^[y]
John Wall^
Kyrie Irving^
Anthony Davis^

i get your argument, but..


Our odds of being in a position to realistically get the first pick this year were basically zero. You could actually make an argument that we might have been even better this year had we not made all of our free agent acquisitions and simply forced Brown's hand in playing the kids.

Even with the way things played out, there's no way we were going to suck as much as Milwaukee, Philly, Boston, Orlando, Sacramento, or the Lakers, and probably a few others I'm forgetting.
 
all these meaningless wins are doing nothing but having the cavs pick around #10 instead of #8. the horror of failing to tank......

Whether the Cavs pick at 8 or 10, they're still picking from a lower tier of players that will be passed over by 7-9 other teams. Neither scenario is particularly exciting.
 

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