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Looking Ahead: 2013-2014 Cleveland Cavaliers

Discussion in 'Cavs Talk' started by Stark, Dec 24, 2012.

  1. Stark

    Stark Keeping the Faith

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    Discuss the Cavaliers draft, free agency, and everything else leading up to next season's tip-off here.

    Guaranteed Contracts: Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson, Dion Waiters, Tyler Zeller, Alonzo Gee, Anderson Varejao
    Player Options: Mareese Speights
    TO's/Not Fully Guaranteed: CJ Miles, Chris Quinn, Kevin Jones
    Qualifying Offers: Omri Casspi (3.3M), Wayne Ellington (3.1M)
    Free Agents: Luke Walton, Daniel Gibson, Shaun Livingston

    Likely Draft Picks: #1-5 (Our Pick), #17 (Lakers Pick), #34 (Our 2nd Round), #36 (Orlando 2nd Round)

    2013 Free Agent Listings: http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents/
     
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  2. Rob

    Rob Best of the Land

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    This would be a serious disappointment.
     
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  3. Huber.

    Huber. Adrninistrator

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    It's Christmas Eve and we are already ready for this season to be over with. "Fun times in Cleveland town everyone."
     
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  4. Stark

    Stark Keeping the Faith

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    My roster?

    Well... there is a reason I'm not an NBA GM. I can't even take my 2K teams to the finals. :chuckles:
     
  5. theSTEREO.

    theSTEREO. The second of his name.

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    Why are we trading for Torontos pick if we don't draft anyone with it? Also, its gonna take a big change at this point if you're gonna take Poythress at #3. Maybe you take him 6 or 7 with the Toronto pick but only if you pass on Shabazz at 3 in favor of Noel or Len or Zeller.

    Also, if you draft another C in the second round and you have Perkins why are you signing Wright and ONeal?
     
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  6. MirORich

    MirORich All-Star

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    A couple things:

    -you don't seem to be accounting for the Lakers/Heat pick. The Lakers will make the playoffs and their pick will be somewhere in the 15-20 range. Even if for some reason, they don't make the playoffs, we the get and use the Heat pick

    -you're not accounting for our own 2nd round pick

    -if we acquired the Toronto pick, it will more than likely be for 2013, as it doesn't look like Toronto will be one of the worst 3 teams and the odds would be against them jumping into the top3(at which point they would get to keep the pick)

    -with Waiters, Lamb, Gee, and Poythress on the team, there would be no real incentive to keep Miles as he would cut into minutes of those four key guys.

    -that roster would still be well under the salary cap, so instead of keeping Gee and signing O'Neal and Brandan Wright, why not aim bigger for a PF/C like Josh Smith, Jefferson, Milsapp, Bynum, or Pekovic?

     
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  7. DionWaters

    DionWaters Fuk yeah, Water

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    I would be seriously disappointed if we drafted Potytress 3 overall at this point in the season. I think he'll be pretty good but there are a lot better players available at #3

    We'd be garunteed one of Ben Mclemore (we'll regret not taking him even if we already have dion. Think hell end up best player from draft), Shabazz Muhammed, Alex Len or Nerlens Noel
     
  8. Stark

    Stark Keeping the Faith

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    1. I didn't understand the Heat/Laker pick thing, so I didn't want to use it and look like an idiot.

    2. Everything I've read about the potential deal had it with the 2014 pick, unless I have been horribly misreading things the past few weeks.

    3. That's true actually. Didn't think about that. However, if Miles is on the lower tier of your bench, you really can't complain too much.

    4. I really didn't throw the salary cap into play much. Once again, there is a reason I'm not an NBA GM.

    Not 100%, but I'm pretty sure I had it being the 2014 Toronto pick, which obviously is not valid in the 2013 draft.

    We lose Kevin Jones, Samuels, and Varejao from our roster.

    A rotational big-man crew of Thompson, Zeller, Perkins, and Wright, as they would be the four most likely to play the most looks better than having Thompson, Zeller, Perkins, and then Leuer/Samuels. O'Neal wouldn't play much from my projection, and would serve in that "veteran leadership" role.
     
  9. Stark

    Stark Keeping the Faith

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    Everyone stop attacking me and post your own rosters and projections. :chuckles:
     
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  10. theSTEREO.

    theSTEREO. The second of his name.

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    We get the Lakers pick if we want it as long as it is anywhere between 15-29 and give them Miamis in return. If it is 1-14, the lakers pick goes to Phoenix and we just have to keep the Miami pick.

    The pick from Toronto that OKC owns is for 2013 lottery, and only gets bumped to 2014 if it lands in the top 3 this year.

    So, if we somehow trade for the Toronto pick and its not top three, well probably have something like #3, #6, #15, #33, and #38 this summer alone.
     
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  11. Stark

    Stark Keeping the Faith

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    Three more lottery picks? That's insane. We need to find a way to make this happen.

    I don't see how a team of Kyrie, Dion, Tristan, Zeller and then THREE more lottery picks wouldn't be able to contend as long as the correct pieces were thrown in there as well.
     
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    Two lottery picks.
     
  13. MirORich

    MirORich All-Star

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    So many moving parts right now as far as where draft picks will be and how some of our roster develops that its just too early to make these next year roster posts. But we can look at the timeline:

    February - Trading deadline. Once we know if Andy has been traded and for what, a lot more becomes clear. Also, do we make other moves? Do we acquire young talent or established talent. Do we add a pick, like the TOR pick via OKC.

    March - March Madness. By this time of the year the ability to see a full season of college guys like Shabazz, Len, Noel, Zeller, Poythress, McLemore, etc.will bring our own pick a little more into focus. Also, by this time Zeller, Dion, and Tristan will have had another 30-40 games of showing us what type of players they project to be, which could affect our draft/trade/FA approach.

    April - By this time the draft pick slotting will be come a lot clearer. I strongly believe we will get the Lakers pick(meaning they make the playoffs) but is that pick in the 15-18 range or 18-23 range? If we acquire the Toronto pick, where are they slotted in the lottery high enough that we might lose the pick to pottery protection and have to wait till 2014(which might not be a bad thing) or are they in the 7-9 range and unlikely to rise into the top 3 via the lottery?
    Will the Magic bottomed out or will they ride the treadmill of mediocrity all year? The difference from pick 43 to 32 can be a pretty big deal, especially in how it might let us pull a similar deal to the one we did to acquire 17th pick(Zeller) last year. I.e. If the Lakers pick is at 18-19, we might be able to package 19 + our 2nd and Orlandos second to move up as high as 10-12.

    Also, by mid April, we know what players have actually declared for the draft, which is obviously key.

    May
    . Seasons over for us. We have a two full years of evaluation of what we have in Kyrie and Tristan. A full year of evaluation on Dion and Tyler. We take that knowledge and begin to work out the draft eligible players(or not as Dion shows us).

    So I love the speculating on individual scenarios in a vacuum, but it is almost impossible at this point to put together an even remotely possible comprehensive roster building plan for 2013.


     
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  14. CavsFanJapan

    CavsFanJapan US NAVY, RETIRED

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    Not to mention that we have no idea who Chris Grant will actually draft based on advanced metrics and what kind of human beings they are (if he interviews them).
     
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  15. randymoss1881

    randymoss1881 Situational Stopper

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    Febuary: Trade AV for larry sanders, tobais harris, and a number 1
    Getting starter min. sanders proves he is a 10ppg 10rpg 3bpg defender who will make up for kyrie defensive struggles right now.

    Draft: Draft shabazz with our 1st pick. Then trade 17th pick (Bucks) and 22nd (LA) to pheonix for ther 1st (7-10) and Channing Fry saving them 13million for there money conservative owner. Draft James Micheal Mcadoo with that pick

    I think Mcadoo would be a great pick because he is more of a role player than a number 1 option like he is this year. He has a good jump shot to 18ft and runs the break he is also a good defender.

    Irving/gibson
    Waiters/gee
    Shabazz/harris
    TT/mcadoo (mcadoo will start by season end)
    sanders/zeller

    That teamwould have alot of scoring balance with kyrie and waiters being primary scorers and shabazz as a 3rd scorer. Mcadoo spaces the court as well as good defense, Sanders will be our defensive anchor. If Mcadoo reaches his defensive potential and paird with sanders all kyrie, waiters, and shabazz have to be is average and we would have a good defensive team.
     
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  16. Stark

    Stark Keeping the Faith

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    Some people have been talking about potentially trading AV to the Bucks since they seem to be trying to win now before Monta/Jennings skip town.

    If we could some how swing getting Sanders, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
     
  17. MirORich

    MirORich All-Star

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    Only a true title contending team is going to give up a big haul for Andy. Milwaukee, which is still building, is not going to give up a young developing player like Larry Sanders + 1 for Andy. OKC can give up Lamb because he is unproven and surplus and they can give up the TOR pick because they are built to win a championship now and have other young pieces. Sanders has looked great for the past month and that is exactly why Milwaukee would not trade him for Andy, who does not put them over the top or even in a top 4 seed position.

    What you did identify very astutely was a trade partner in Phoenix who might be willing to slide down from a 8-12 pick to a 16-20 pick in exchange for us taking off a bad contract(like Frye) and maybe us throwing in a 2nd rd pick. That is doable, based on their history under Sarver.

     
  18. randymoss1881

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    I was doing the offer cause writers from espn were saying keep a close eye on the bucks for our trade partner. But do you think a Sanders + 1st or sanders + harris would get it done?


    Ya i really like Sanders also. Just looking at the 10 games he has played 30min + he is averaging 10points-10boards-4blks dude is gonna be a player.
     
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    Kizzle In the Rotation

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    I think that team is a little worse than this years only because the gap Andy will leave, its like theres no attepmt to replace that spot with proven skill at all.
     
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    As for the Bucks..its about to get really sad for them, because Jennings is already stated hes testing FA, and im 99% sure Monta hates the midwest
     

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