Making a murderer (spoilers)

[KI4MVP]

One thing I didn't understand was how the prosecutor argued successfully in a court of law 2 different versions of the same crime. For Avery he argued that she was killed in the garage by Avery alone while for Dassey he argued she was shackled to Avery's bed in his trailer and had her throat cut there.

I didn't understand that at all. In the first trial he said only one person is responsible for her death, then he has a second trial to convict the nephew. The nephew's whole case is the one I don't understand. Especially how his whole defense team effectively was working for the prosecution. Aren't there laws against that?

For Avery I came away thinking there was likely evidence that wasn't shown on the show, @Maximus confirms that part.

 

[The Oi]

I'm guessing they killed her in the garage like Dassey said in some of the tapes not included in the documentary. Dassey's mom said there were bleach stains all over his pants from a "garage cleanup" over at Avery's. Well shit, i wonder what they were cleaning up.



According to @gourimoko and @The Oi when you buy these things at an intimacy store, they are designed not to damage the furniture you hook them up to bed posts. It doesn't prove anything, but it gives more credibility to Dassey than Avery from my perspective. I mean Avery claims he never saw the girl. Then Dassey claims he sees the missing girl hooked up to handcuffs and legirons....exactly what Avery had just bought???




Jodi was in jail when they were purchased.




Two people from the phone company testified about it. They said the first 2 calls were *67 calls. The third was 2 hours later when he didnt *67 and when he left the phone message asking why she never showed...I would presume as an attempt to cover his tracks.

The concern I have with the leg irons and handcuffs story is that in any Adam and Eve you go to, those are located right between the buttplugs and double sided walrus dildos and the buttplugs are almost always available in a upick3 sale with the leg irons.

You're telling me he didn't buy ANYTHING else there?

 

[czvo]

So the guy expertly cleans up ALL of her blood in the garage after blasting her head with a shotgun (remember, they jackhammered the concrete and found nothing), yet he just leaves her car there with a couple branches covering it DESPITE having access to a car crusher?

I'm not saying he didn't kill her, but it just doesn't add up to me.

 

[KI4MVP]

So the guy expertly cleans up ALL of her blood in the garage after blasting her head with a shotgun (remember, they jackhammered the concrete and found nothing), yet he just leaves her car there with a couple branches covering it DESPITE having access to a car crusher?

I'm not saying he didn't kill her, but it just doesn't add up to me.

the phone call asking why she didn't show up makes him sound plenty guilty. It shows why the paperwork that proved she was there was so important.

 

[Brandname]

So the guy expertly cleans up ALL of her blood in the garage after blasting her head with a shotgun (remember, they jackhammered the concrete and found nothing), yet he just leaves her car there with a couple branches covering it DESPITE having access to a car crusher?

I'm not saying he didn't kill her, but it just doesn't add up to me.

.22, I think.

 

[Maximus]

The concern I have with the leg irons and handcuffs story is that in any Adam and Eve you go to, those are located right between the buttplugs and double sided walrus dildos and the buttplugs are almost always available in a upick3 sale with the leg irons.

You're telling me he didn't buy ANYTHING else there?

You make an excellent point...as always.


Another thing that bothered me was when the defense attorney took out the vial of blood and went nuts about there being a hole in the stopper. There's always a hole in the stopper. That's how they get blood into the freaking vials...right? They made it sound like the hole was proof that blood had been taken out.

 

[czvo]

.22, I think.

Ah. Watched it a few weeks ago. Got that part mixed up.

 

[czvo]

You make an excellent point...as always.


Another thing that bothered me was when the defense attorney took out the vial of blood and went nuts about there being a hole in the stopper. There's always a hole in the stopper. That's how they get blood into the freaking vials...right? They made it sound like the hole was proof that blood had been taken out.

I think it was a combination of the seal being broken, the hole in the stopper, and the fact that only Lenk (I think it was Lenk) had access to it when those things could have happened.

 

[Maximus]

I think it was a combination of the seal being broken, the hole in the stopper, and the fact that only Lenk (I think it was Lenk) had access to it when those things could have happened.

I get the seal being broken would be suspicious, but the hole in the stopper would be suspicious if there weren't a hole there...there has to be a hole 100% of the time. Then his comment about "I already called Labcorp about the hole and they said they don't do that". Right, because the lab didn't draw the blood! It just seemed real misleading.

 

[Maximus]

Steven Avery update: The mysterious blood vial
Doug Schneider, USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin4:35 p.m. CST January 14, 2016
Your evening wrap-up of important news, opinions and trivia about 'Making a Murderer,' the Teresa Halbach slaying and the trial of Steven Avery
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If "Making a Murderer" has an a-ha! moment, it's likely the scene where defense attorney Jerry Buting discovers a hole in the cap of the vial containing suspected killer Steven Avery's blood.

"This is a red-letter day," Buting says on camera, apparently believing the hole means the vial had been tampered with. If the sample had been compromised, the assumption went, it might support the theory that someone had planted the smudge of Avery's blood found in the SUV belonging to murder victim Teresa Halbach.

Except ... every such blood vial would have a hole in its top because blood is injected into the tube through the cap, On Milwaukee is reporting. The online magazine says it obtained court documentsshowing that prosecutors had a jail nurse ready to testify that she injected the blood into the vial.

"If it's properly filled, that stopper will always have a pierced marking," Dennis Ernst, who chairs the national committee that writes the industry standard on blood draws, tells writer Jessica McBride. "Piercing the stopper of the tube is the recommended and the only way those tubes should be filled."

That will disappoint the Avery supporters who believe he was framed by someone who planted his blood on Halbach's dashboard and left her car in Avery's Manitowoc County salvage yard. Prosecutors had the FBI test the blood, and determined that it had not been tampered with.

 

[Maximus]

So the guy expertly cleans up ALL of her blood in the garage after blasting her head with a shotgun (remember, they jackhammered the concrete and found nothing), yet he just leaves her car there with a couple branches covering it DESPITE having access to a car crusher?

I'm not saying he didn't kill her, but it just doesn't add up to me.

I actually haven't finished it all...only seen half. Wife gets back from Florida this weekend and i promised not to watch the rest without her. I'll create my timeline next week when i finish watching.

 

[czvo]

The fascinating this about this case is the second you think, "ok, here's the evidence that will prove him guilty/not guilty," it gets debunked.

On the "sweat DNA" on the hood latch, it was shown that:

1. It wasn't conclusive that it was sweat on the hood latch. It was nucleated cells. There was no proof that it was sweat, and most importantly...

2. The forensic scientist that "discovered" the DNA on the hood latch HAD JUST LOOKED THROUGH Avery's grand am and NEVER CHANGED HIS GLOVES. It was debunked fairly quickly in the trial (see this short interview: http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/-making-a-murderer---filmmakers-discuss-documentary-598845507868)

 

[The Oi]

@Maximus thinks everything is a conspiracy theory.

@Lord Mar believes the conspiracy theories.

@Man Called X starts them.

@OptimusPrime him/herself is a conspiracy theory

 

[Maximus]

@Maximus thinks everything is a conspiracy theory.

@Lord Mar believes the conspiracy theories.

@Man Called X starts them.

@OptimusPrime him/herself is a conspiracy theory

 

[DJTJ]

You make an excellent point...as always.


Another thing that bothered me was when the defense attorney took out the vial of blood and went nuts about there being a hole in the stopper. There's always a hole in the stopper. That's how they get blood into the freaking vials...right? They made it sound like the hole was proof that blood had been taken out.

Wrong. The seal on the box was broken, and the seal on the vial was broken. Essentially, the blood would have been put IN the vial, and then sealed, and placed in a box, which was sealed.

Dassey only helped clean up. Avery did it. Thought it from the beginning of the Dassey gets interviewed episode. Dash should have got a new trial, though.