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Did You Like the New Spiderverse Film?

  • Yes!

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  • No!

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  • Far better than the MCU's multiverse bore

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Best Marvel film yet!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Needs Hobgoblin

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jim Chones is A Spiderman, not THE Spiderman

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Sure... bolded movies that I think are key examples of some of my favorite Marvel films + Captain Marvel.

Captain Marvel: 5.5
...
Ant-Man and the Wasp: 7.5
Avengers: Infinity War: 9.0
Black Panther: 9.5
Thor: Ragnarok: 8.0

Spider-Man: Homecoming: 8.0
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2: 8.5
Doctor Strange: 8.75

Captain America: Civil War: 8.0
Captain America: Winter Soldier: 9.0
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 1: 8.5
Iron Man: 8.0

Avengers: 7.0
Ant-Man: 7.5
Captain America: The First Avenger: 8.0
...
Iron Man 2: 5.0
Thor: 4.0
The Incredible Hulk: 4.5
Avengers: Age of Ultron: 4.5
...
Iron Man 3: 3.0

Thanks, I don't watch many of the super hero movies (did you know super hero is actually jointly trademarked by Marvel and DC).

My ex takes the kids to many of them, and I take them to the ones she does not, this is my kids favorite genre. Being a female super hero, my daughter will for sure want to go. My 2 favorites are Ant Man (both), and Guardians (both), but I did not see Black Panther, which is the only id dint see that I want to. (I saw Doctor Strange, it was ok imo), but your ratings seem consistent with mine in general, so I doubt I will push to see this movie with the kids as I am fine letting the ex share the woman power experience with our daughter (and son).

Thank you. Big help.
 
Overall thought it was a good popcorn flick. I thought the 90’s nostalgia provided for some nice touches. The pace was different than some of the other Marvel movies... maybe that had to do perception of the characters as Captain Marvel learned more about her past life (?)

I didn’t have any real expectations going into it other than getting some background before Captain Marvel joins them in End Game.

I will say the performance I walked away the most impressed was Annette Bening. Thought she did a good job with both of her characters but her performance as the representation of the Kree Spreme Intelligence was top notch .

Did enjoy the mid credit scenes setting the stage for End Game.
 
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It felt like a plot device at the end of the day.

How do we beat Thanos and how do we justify her just showing up...all solved. Nothing more IMO.
 
Captain Marvel: 5.5 / 10, C, (Average action film, slightly below average Marvel film)

I was .. disappointed walking out of Captain Marvel. Felt pretty let down by the end credits.

Let me just say that for those that don't know, I'm a huge fan of Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) as a character. But even saying that, I saw this movie last night with the wife and we weren't terribly impressed.

I had high hopes initially, again, huge fan of Captain Marvel's and loved the idea of her coming in to help save the day against Thanos. Don't think she's an Adam Warlock replacement, but I can understand the idea.

But this movie... there's a lot of cinematic issues. First off the editing of the film is fucking terrible. It feels like it was edited by an 8th grader; i.e., really jerky cuts, unnatural conversation, glaringly obviously different takes being stitched together.

It was so fucked up I actually had to look up the guy responsible, Elliot Graham, and saw that his IMDb page says he worked on such great films as Superman Returns and X2: X-Men United. He also did Molly's Game, which I haven't seen, but is a completely different genre of film.

Honestly, this was one of the worst aspects of the movie because it kept breaking any sort of immersion that I might have; and as a life-long Marvel fan, that's kinda crazy.

Secondly, and even worse, is Brie Larson.

My God.. Her performance was really bad in this movie. Like, ScarJo's performance is stoic and is basically just Lucy-redux in Marvel form; but, Larson, an actress who can actually act, seems to have just mailed this in. Her one-liners, "woo-hoos," etc just felt so stiff and plastic that everything just comes off as manufactured.

And frankly (thirdly), I can somewhat understand why Larson's performance is poor because quite obviously the direction of this movie seems poorly done. Not a single actor on the screen delivers a performance that fits with their past work; in fact, everyone seems stilted as though they're going through the motions, and that includes Larson, and Jackson (who serves as comic relief and does a fairly decent job), but also Law and Mendelsohn who are both two great actors in their own right.

These problems really boil down to the directors, and looking at it from that standpoint, Anna Bowden and Ryan Fleck just totally fucked this movie up ruining what should have been a really great Marvel film leading into Endgame.

From the beginning, the protagonist (Larson's Capt Marvel) never seems faced with a challenge that she cannot immediately overcome, with either a pep-talk, a pat on the shoulder, etc... And it's not that the character is overpowered, she's actually under-powered throughout the movie - but she's still beyond anything anyone in this film is capable of throwing at her. Not just physically, but mentally, emotionally - she faces no challenges that she cannot get beyond within literally 90 seconds of screen time. And maybe that's the point, that she's truly invincible? But there's no personal challenge, internal or external, that really is meaningful. And this really negates much of the tension one would hope to build in the film.

And that's really a shame. I say that because, they've taken Carol Danvers (who is similar to a female Tony Stark in from a personality standpoint) and reduced her to a truly blank and emotionless Mary Sue. And that isn't to say Danvers isn't supposed to be super-powerful .. she is! But Danvers is also one of Marvel's absolute best characters in the sense that she's one of their most complex and nuanced, having more depth than just about anyone in the Marvel Universe.

In this movie, we simply see Danvers as a proxy to female empowerment, which is fine in itself, but the way it's done is so hamfisted and so overly simplified that it you have to avoid rolling your eyes at a lot of the imagery in the movie. And that isn't to say this movie shouldn't embrace feminism and feminist messaging - it can and probably should, especially since the source material does and has for decades; but instead, that it lets down the message by delivering it so poorly.

My next issue is with the changes made to the Kree-Skrull source material. I have no problem with the ideas the put forward; the problem was with the delivery. I won't get into much of this to avoid spoilers, but this is again, hamfisted and frankly somewhat stupid. Midway through the film, there's a reversal of sorts that is bizarre, largely unexplained as to how it really makes sense ... when you see the movie, you'll know what I mean.

The musical score of the film is also completely unremarkable. Marvel just won an Academy Award for the score in Black Panther, so this is a pretty big departure from that. The music is uninspired and forgettable, throughout the movie. And the continuous '90s soundtrack playing just doesn't fit the scenes. I mean, Nirvana's 'Come As You Are' playing on vinyl while in a critical battle? It just doesn't work. It could work, as Guardians of the Galaxy has made this work twice already - but the approach taken in Captain Marvel is nowhere near as cleverly done or as smoothly integrated into the film.

Lastly, some of the scenes in the film are just ... they make the film feel like a joke, and not in a good way. Like, the last 10 minutes of the movie probably shouldn't have made it out of the editor's room.

And just as an aside, the way Fury loses his eye was thrown in as an afterthought and pretty absurd, but, whatever...

There's positives here and there in the movie, but Larson's casting is never justified, her performance is undeniably poor, and the directing, editing, and musical score are lackluster at best.

I think people should still see it though. But don't feel compelled to watch this movie before Avengers: Endgame. There is basically zero connection between the two movies other than that pager - and you already know she's on her way. Nothing is revealed other than the blatantly obvious, so if your reasons for seeing this are only to connect the dots, well, then don't bother.

Captain Marvel: 5.5 / 10

Hope they do much better next time, but they'll likely need a new director and new production crew.

Yes, yes, that is all fine and good.

But what of the cat?

His livestream session was remarkable.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uky_Y_7JevE
 
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Captain Marvel: 5.5 / 10, C, (Average action film, slightly below average Marvel film)

I was .. disappointed walking out of Captain Marvel. Felt pretty let down by the end credits.

Let me just say that for those that don't know, I'm a huge fan of Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) as a character. But even saying that, I saw this movie last night with the wife and we weren't terribly impressed.

I had high hopes initially, again, huge fan of Captain Marvel's and loved the idea of her coming in to help save the day against Thanos. Don't think she's an Adam Warlock replacement, but I can understand the idea.

But this movie... there's a lot of cinematic issues. First off the editing of the film is fucking terrible. It feels like it was edited by an 8th grader; i.e., really jerky cuts, unnatural conversation, glaringly obviously different takes being stitched together.

It was so fucked up I actually had to look up the guy responsible, Elliot Graham, and saw that his IMDb page says he worked on such great films as Superman Returns and X2: X-Men United. He also did Molly's Game, which I haven't seen, but is a completely different genre of film.

Honestly, this was one of the worst aspects of the movie because it kept breaking any sort of immersion that I might have; and as a life-long Marvel fan, that's kinda crazy.

Secondly, and even worse, is Brie Larson.

My God.. Her performance was really bad in this movie. Like, ScarJo's performance is stoic and is basically just Lucy-redux in Marvel form; but, Larson, an actress who can actually act, seems to have just mailed this in. Her one-liners, "woo-hoos," etc just felt so stiff and plastic that everything just comes off as manufactured.

And frankly (thirdly), I can somewhat understand why Larson's performance is poor because quite obviously the direction of this movie seems poorly done. Not a single actor on the screen delivers a performance that fits with their past work; in fact, everyone seems stilted as though they're going through the motions, and that includes Larson, and Jackson (who serves as comic relief and does a fairly decent job), but also Law and Mendelsohn who are both two great actors in their own right.

These problems really boil down to the directors, and looking at it from that standpoint, Anna Bowden and Ryan Fleck just totally fucked this movie up ruining what should have been a really great Marvel film leading into Endgame.

From the beginning, the protagonist (Larson's Capt Marvel) never seems faced with a challenge that she cannot immediately overcome, with either a pep-talk, a pat on the shoulder, etc... And it's not that the character is overpowered, she's actually under-powered throughout the movie - but she's still beyond anything anyone in this film is capable of throwing at her. Not just physically, but mentally, emotionally - she faces no challenges that she cannot get beyond within literally 90 seconds of screen time. And maybe that's the point, that she's truly invincible? But there's no personal challenge, internal or external, that really is meaningful. And this really negates much of the tension one would hope to build in the film.

And that's really a shame. I say that because, they've taken Carol Danvers (who is similar to a female Tony Stark in from a personality standpoint) and reduced her to a truly blank and emotionless Mary Sue. And that isn't to say Danvers isn't supposed to be super-powerful .. she is! But Danvers is also one of Marvel's absolute best characters in the sense that she's one of their most complex and nuanced, having more depth than just about anyone in the Marvel Universe.

In this movie, we simply see Danvers as a proxy to female empowerment, which is fine in itself, but the way it's done is so hamfisted and so overly simplified that it you have to avoid rolling your eyes at a lot of the imagery in the movie. And that isn't to say this movie shouldn't embrace feminism and feminist messaging - it can and probably should, especially since the source material does and has for decades; but instead, that it lets down the message by delivering it so poorly.

My next issue is with the changes made to the Kree-Skrull source material. I have no problem with the ideas the put forward; the problem was with the delivery. I won't get into much of this to avoid spoilers, but this is again, hamfisted and frankly somewhat stupid. Midway through the film, there's a reversal of sorts that is bizarre, largely unexplained as to how it really makes sense ... when you see the movie, you'll know what I mean.

The musical score of the film is also completely unremarkable. Marvel just won an Academy Award for the score in Black Panther, so this is a pretty big departure from that. The music is uninspired and forgettable, throughout the movie. And the continuous '90s soundtrack playing just doesn't fit the scenes. I mean, Nirvana's 'Come As You Are' playing on vinyl while in a critical battle? It just doesn't work. It could work, as Guardians of the Galaxy has made this work twice already - but the approach taken in Captain Marvel is nowhere near as cleverly done or as smoothly integrated into the film.

Lastly, some of the scenes in the film are just ... they make the film feel like a joke, and not in a good way. Like, the last 10 minutes of the movie probably shouldn't have made it out of the editor's room.

And just as an aside, the way Fury loses his eye was thrown in as an afterthought and pretty absurd, but, whatever...

There's positives here and there in the movie, but Larson's casting is never justified, her performance is undeniably poor, and the directing, editing, and musical score are lackluster at best.

I think people should still see it though. But don't feel compelled to watch this movie before Avengers: Endgame. There is basically zero connection between the two movies other than that pager - and you already know she's on her way. Nothing is revealed other than the blatantly obvious, so if your reasons for seeing this are only to connect the dots, well, then don't bother.

Captain Marvel: 5.5 / 10

Hope they do much better next time, but they'll likely need a new director and new production crew.

Surprising that Brie Larson does so poorly.

Then again, George Lucas turned good actors acting poorly into an art-form.
 
Just got back from Captain Marvel. It’s very good, and a borderline top 10 MCU movie for me.

Winter Soldier, Infinity War, Avengers, Guardians, Ragnarok, Homecoming, and Civil War are the only ones I can confidently say I enjoyed more.
 
Saw it again with my daughter this time. Still liked it a lot.
 
Does Captain Mavel also suffer from them the same issue that just about every other marvel movie suffer from - An Incompetent super-villain who is only slightly more dangerous that your toaster ?
 
Captain Marvel is a middling MCU film.

No real villain. Ronan was on lithium back then evidently.

The real star was the Cat.
 
One other thing that I left out of the review, but meant to put it, was that ... you can tell, at some point in the writing, that Carol Danvers in the MCU was meant to be either bisexual or lesbian.

Danvers, in the comics, wasn't lesbian but who cares?

This Danvers seems to come off as bisexual, given the story dynamic as well as the dynamic between her and her "best friend." It seems to make all the sense in the world if they were fucking... but.. they weren't. And there is no mention of significant others, but in fact a rejection of male suitors in the movie's flashbacks.

All of this makes sense up to a point in the film where you're expecting a romantic reveal, and it never happens.. and you're left thinking... well, that was stupid.

Watch this movie, then go back and think .. what if they'd kissed? What if they were in a romantic relationship but Danvers just forgot her emotions towards the woman, just remembering, eventually, the facts - but not enough of the feelings... There's so much they could have done with that, but they didn't have the guts.. The ending of the movie could have had a lot more depth if there was an emotional connection to anything she was leaving behind... but they played it safe.

I think it would have been a hard sell to give her serious emotional attachments to Earth but then have her fly to other end of the galaxy to help some random aliens she just met.
 
On second watch, I didn't get any lesbian vibes from the two.
 

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