Mike Pettine

[The Oi]

Egotistical, which is fine, but completely jaded. You aren't right when it's all based upon speculation.

I said good day sir.

 

[Binkster]

You guys are just plain cynical if you think the front office is solely responsible for guys like Todd freakin' Bowles and Ben flippin' McAdoo removing their names from consideration. Jesus, you can't actually believe guys like that were in a position of power to dictate to management? Gase? Maybe. The rest? Nah.

They did so because:

A.) They knew they weren't getting the job, knew they were never seriously considered for the position, and did not want to further jeopardize their current or future opportunities by waiting around.

B.) They weren't exactly thrilled about the idea of tying their job security to the incoming, soon-to-be-starting, rookie Quarterback.

C.) They were comfortable with their current positions, living situations, and job security as a coordinator (which is much less delicate and scrutinized than HC)

D.) All of the above.

It's possible the FO had some sort of influence on these decisions, but I would not take that as a direct indictment of the way they were running things. Some of these guys are nobodies.

 

[AZ_]

2 things:

1) On the bolded, how is that info indicative of a front office failure? The only question I want you to answer is: Is it possible that the control desired was not going to be given to anyone that didn't previously earn it, which subsequently turned them off from the position?

2) I hope that the amount of coaches that are following Pettine are indicative of the quality of coach that he is.

1. If the front office were in the business of hiring a glorified yes man who's coming here knowing his power will be limited, then it reflects poorly on the front office because that is a strategy which rarely if ever works across the NFL. If you're on board with them hiring or not hiring someone because the front office cannot bear the thought of giving up some power to the guy actually in charge of leading the team, then I'd argue you're setting yourself up to lose out on any top tier hire from the start.

2. I hope you're right. I think Pettine is a fine defensive coach to be sure, but his lack of experience and my personal belief that this team needs an innovative offensive mind to run this team leave me believing we'll see him follow a similar path as other recent Browns head coaches.

Just so we are clear:

Mike Pettine is a good coach = total luck.

I don't think that's true at all, but I do think it bails out a front office which orchestrated a search which failed on numerous levels before finally settling on Pettine.

 

[Soda]

1. If the front office were in the business of hiring a glorified yes man who's coming here knowing his power will be limited, then it reflects poorly on the front office because that is a strategy which rarely if ever works across the NFL. If you're on board with them hiring or not hiring someone because the front office cannot bear the thought of giving up some power to the guy actually in charge of leading the team, then I'd argue you're setting yourself up to lose out on any top tier hire from the start.

Maybe so. I guess I just don't really see the reasoning behind giving power to someone before they've shown the ability and/or earned it.

 

[AZ_]

Maybe so. I guess I just don't really see the reasoning behind giving power to someone before they've shown the ability and/or earned it.

I can list off the number of great coaches currently in the NFL who hadn't earned it either. But the best management can do is hire a guy who shares their vision schematically and gives them say into what type of players they need to acquire, then getting the fuck out of the way and letting him run the damn team.

In Cleveland, that seems like a fantasy which will never truly be realized.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I can list off the number of great coaches currently in the NFL who hadn't earned it either. But the best management can do is hire a guy who shares their vision schematically and gives them say into what type of players they need to acquire, then getting the fuck out of the way and letting him run the damn team.

In Cleveland, that seems like a fantasy which will never truly be realized.

I feel like that's power that virtually no rookie head coach in the NFL has access to unless they were a hugely successful college coach. Rookie head coaches have to earn that kind of clout in an organization. That's not an outlandish concept. You don't let a guy with no experience come in and take over a franchise. You slowly let him earn that power over time as he proves he can handle competently it in addition to his other duties.

And that's not to say he can't have input from the get-go, and a head coach absolutely should, even a rookie one. However, there's no evidence at all that Pettine won't have input.

 

[AZ_]

I feel like that's power that virtually no rookie head coach in the NFL has access to unless they were a hugely successful college coach. Rookie head coaches have to earn that kind of clout in an organization. That's not an outlandish concept. You don't let a guy with no experience come in and take over a franchise. You slowly let him earn that power over time as he proves he can handle competently it in addition to his other duties.

And that's not to say he can't have input from the get-go, and a head coach absolutely should, even a rookie one. However, there's no evidence at all that Pettine won't have input.

There's even less evidence that the front office will get out of the way and let him coach the team his way.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Just so we are clear:

ANYONE BEING (For the browns)a good coach = total luck.

fixed that for you.

 

[Binkster]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>From <a href="https://twitter.com/MarcSesslerNFL">@MarcSesslerNFL</a> - Adam Gase said 'It just wasn't the right time' to be a HC yet <a href="http://t.co/LBnwQ4fsTx">http://t.co/LBnwQ4fsTx</a></p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/statuses/428209801114288128">January 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>&quot;When those opportunities come up, and you decide, hey, that's the right opportunity for me, then you go ahead and jump in....</p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/statuses/428212419593117696">January 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>...and you just do what you're born to do.&quot; - Adam Gase</p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/statuses/428212466124742656">January 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Can anyone blame Gase? Why jump in when you aren't ready? And much less into a situation with no quarterback.

The guy is a 35 year old, first time coordinator working with the best quarterback of all time. He's nestled safely under Peyton's wing and will have a plethora of opportunities in the future. Doesn't at all sound like the time to jump into head coaching.

I wouldn't put that so much on the Browns or the FO as much as I would on the QB situation. Just my opinion.

 

[AZ_]

I'd imagine the right time will be when a much better organization comes calling.

 

[The Oi]

I bet if Harbaugh, Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick all died in a freak gasoline fight accident, Gase would have definitely turned down all of those teams too.

 

[Soda]

I bet if Harbaugh, Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick all died in a freak gasoline fight accident, Gase would have definitely turned down all of those teams too.

There would be a bidding war, so it'd be stupid not to jump at the highest offer.

I think he's just a catcher.

 

[The Oi]

There would be a bidding war, so it'd be stupid not to jump at the highest offer.

I think he's just a catcher.

All snark aside...

He'd leap at offers for any of those teams. Great organizations with good to great Quarterbacks and a ton of ready-made talent.

 

[Soda]

All snark aside...

He'd leap at offers for any of those teams. Great organizations with good to great Quarterbacks and a ton of ready-made talent.

Yes, you'd definitely have all of the resources available to you to succeed. Can't say that's the case in Cleveland. Not that its because of any one person, but because the Browns don't have any kind of mentor in the front office that would be a resource for a coach coming up on tough times... Mike Pettine is absolutely on his own on his journey to becoming a successful NFL head coach.

 

[AZ_]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>What you see with <a href="https://twitter.com/Browns">@Browns</a> coach Mike Pettine isn’t what you get, just like his defense. Glimpse into intriguing mind <a href="http://t.co/s5eUBC8HHk">http://t.co/s5eUBC8HHk</a></p>&mdash; Greg A. Bedard (@GregABedard) <a href="https://twitter.com/GregABedard/statuses/479609030932172802">June 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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