Minimum Wage Increase: Support or Oppose ?

[Tornicade]

I worked for a gas station for a bit and they had a yearly business. this gas station alos had an oil company. the oil company didnt hit their earnings goal because of oil accident and we lost our bonus to essnetially ensure that the oil execs got their bonus.
the current government proposal is 10.10 which would be the 90% of the federal poverty guidelines for a family of 4.

 

[Tornicade]

Point being is that I had put in 10 years now, completely loyal to my company...if minimum wage were to go up to say, $15, not only would I be making that much...but anyone being hired then would be making the same as well. Coming from a my point of view, that is bullshit that someone making as much as me from day one.

I don't have any kids and the kids of this generation now a days are pieces of shit and get away with everything with no respect (no offense to those that have kids in this generation). Wow, for being 29 years old...I am sounding like a 40 year old.

your underpaid. if the minimum wage increased to 10.10 your salary would be adjusted to maintain you at a higher job grade from entry level

 

[UncleDrew]

I'm glad you see where I am coming from, Torn.

 

[FiveThous]

I'm glad I've been cutting out white carbs because I couldn't afford a $4 loaf of bread if min wage gets raised to $15. It's not like my company is going to go out and give me a raise either just because the min wage was raised.

 

[UncleDrew]

But do you think it's right that people with little to no experience about the company should be getting as much as someone who knows all about it, though? I sure don't.

 

[Tornicade]

But do you think it's right that people with little to no experience about the company should be getting as much as someone who knows all about it, though? I sure don't.

so what your saying is because your underpaid bfor what you do now other people should be underpaid more?

and that as a department head you should be making right around the nations poverty level for a family of 4. your looking at this entirely the wrong way

 

[Tornicade]

I'm glad I've been cutting out white carbs because I couldn't afford a $4 loaf of bread if min wage gets raised to $15. It's not like my company is going to go out and give me a raise either just because the min wage was raised.

and that will impact the cost of living and increase the minimum wage. meaning companies would eneed to adapt to a more labor friendly division of revenue

 

[Cavatt]

But do you think it's right that people with little to no experience about the company should be getting as much as someone who knows all about it, though? I sure don't.

No and 10 bucks sounds too low if you are a valuable part of the business and work hard.

Find a way to make the people you work for more money, and you should get a raise. If you do anything that any joe off the street can't do with a day of training, you should be making more than 10. This is part of the general wage suppression some have mentioned here.

Look at the rise of productivity and stock prices(both higher than ever) and median income hasn't changed much in 10 years. All the extra work we get done with automation and computers has had little impact on middle class income. As you might expect average income is way up.

Some people don't have a job like that though, and they are the ones that need looking after. I think 15 would be too big a jump too quickly. Congress should tie it to inflation , but they are scared as hell to do that.

 

[Ohdang]

I agree with you...but then again, me getting an education didn't do shit for me. I started my job 10 years ago straight out of high school. I went to college for 6 years, got a Bachelor's degree and still can't find a job for my degree. I am glad and lucky I became in charge of my department a few weeks ago..but again, I still haven't seen a raise and talked to the general manager about it too.

I don't mean to be crass, but your experience with college doesn't mean college isn't worthwhile, you just chose poorly when you chose your degree if you can't find a job with it. Colleges will tell you anything to get your money, it's up to you to research whether or not it's actually a good investment to get X degree.

I also said an education OR a skill. CNC machinists are a good example of skilled labor that is in demand and decent paying. There's a lot of good jobs out there for people with 2 year degrees also. I started with one before I went on to a higher degree and I made $18 the day I graduated from Stark State, with only about $8k in student loan debt. I picked something in high demand with the ability to make more money and move up with a more advanced degree, and that's exactly what I did. It's a great, cheap option for people who want to better their lives financially.

Poor people can even do trade skills and technical college for free on the governments dime. It's up to them to make the decision to do it though. The only poor people I have any real sympathy for are the disabled, everyone else only have themselves to blame and they have the power to change their situation if they want to. Screw the rest of us by jacking up minimum wage? Sorry but I worked hard to be where I am, I don't want to be knocked down a few pegs because people who work at dollar general want a big raise.

 

[natedagg]

I agree with you...but then again, me getting an education didn't do shit for me. I started my job 10 years ago straight out of high school. I went to college for 6 years, got a Bachelor's degree and still can't find a job for my degree. I am glad and lucky I became in charge of my department a few weeks ago..but again, I still haven't seen a raise and talked to the general manager about it too.

Seriously, you are letting your fear get the best of you. Update the resume and start booking interviews on your lunch break. 10 years of work for $10/hour? You are the perfect worker!

 

[theSwayze]

Point being is that I had put in 10 years now, completely loyal to my company...if minimum wage were to go up to say, $15, not only would I be making that much...but anyone being hired then would be making the same as well. Coming from a my point of view, that is bullshit that someone making as much as me from day one.

I don't have any kids and the kids of this generation now a days are pieces of shit and get away with everything with no respect (no offense to those that have kids in this generation). Wow, for being 29 years old...I am sounding like a 40 year old.

Stop personalizing it. This isn't about rewarding others- it's about demanding that labor maintains value. Frankly, your ego driven mindset is a gift to the annual bonus types and the reason labor unions are still relevant and necessary. Here you are railing against your own best interest and demanding less money because somewhere they convinced you that money is respect. It isn't. My son is not a piece of shit and neither are my students, grow up.

 

[Cavatt]

I don't mean to be crass, but your experience with college doesn't mean college isn't worthwhile, you just chose poorly when you chose your degree if you can't find a job with it. Colleges will tell you anything to get your money, it's up to you to research whether or not it's actually a good investment to get X degree.

I also said an education OR a skill. CNC machinists are a good example of skilled labor that is in demand and decent paying. There's a lot of good jobs out there for people with 2 year degrees also. I started with one before I went on to a higher degree and I made $18 the day I graduated from Stark State, with only about $8k in student loan debt. I picked something in high demand with the ability to make more money and move up with a more advanced degree, and that's exactly what I did. It's a great, cheap option for people who want to better their lives financially.

Poor people can even do trade skills and technical college for free on the governments dime. It's up to them to make the decision to do it though. The only poor people I have any real sympathy for are the disabled, everyone else only have themselves to blame and they have the power to change their situation if they want to. Screw the rest of us by jacking up minimum wage? Sorry but I worked hard to be where I am, I don't want to be knocked down a few pegs because people who work at dollar general want a big raise.

It's not really jacking up minimum wage, it's about money being worth less now, and the employers who employ minimum wage workers getting a bargain right now. Now one is getting rich when it gets moved to 10.

 

[gourimoko]

Not a lot of time on my hands recently, but I've skimmed through the thread and would state that those who are against a minimum wage are more or less denying history. If there isn't a minimum wage (of any sort) then you will have exploited workers - especially if there are no worker protections.

I am for raising the minimum wage; however, I voted NO on the poll. $15 is too high for someone working at McDonald's. Period. That is not a skilled job, and those individuals do not require $31.2k/yr in salary, as that would likely cost more than $36k on average or more to the McDonald's franchise per individual.

For reference, a starting C# programmer would make $25/hr. An IT technician at most companies, today, makes between $15-20 an hour with basic certifications and entry-level positioning. I cannot justify the unskilled fast food worker making the same wage as the trained, specialized IT worker.

Again, the poverty line should dictate the minimum wage - but this screams overly-aggressive redistribution of wealth. $15/hr is absurd in our economy.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I think the greatest tragedy isn't the low minimum wage, but instead the skyrocketing wages made by top executives. I know people at the top of my wife's industry who pull in over $150,000 just for being in the industry for over 15 years... they aren't GOOD at what they do... but they have shown up and not screwed up that badly for 15 years.

I call that living the dream.

 

[Tornicade]

I don't mean to be crass, but your experience with college doesn't mean college isn't worthwhile, you just chose poorly when you chose your degree if you can't find a job with it. Colleges will tell you anything to get your money, it's up to you to research whether or not it's actually a good investment to get X degree. I also said an education OR a skill. CNC machinists are a good example of skilled labor that is in demand and decent paying. There's a lot of good jobs out there for people with 2 year degrees also. I started with one before I went on to a higher degree and I made $18 the day I graduated from Stark State, with only about $8k in student loan debt. I picked something in high demand with the ability to make more money and move up with a more advanced degree, and that's exactly what I did. It's a great, cheap option for people who want to better their lives financially. Poor people can even do trade skills and technical college for free on the governments dime. It's up to them to make the decision to do it though. The only poor people I have any real sympathy for are the disabled, everyone else only have themselves to blame and they have the power to change their situation if they want to. Screw the rest of us by jacking up minimum wage? Sorry but I worked hard to be where I am, I don't want to be knocked down a few pegs because people who work at dollar general want a big raise.

I don't mean to be crass, but your experience with college doesn't mean college isn't worthwhile, you just chose poorly when you chose your degree if you can't find a job with it. Colleges will tell you anything to get your money, it's up to you to research whether or not it's actually a good investment to get X degree. I also said an education OR a skill. CNC machinists are a good example of skilled labor that is in demand and decent paying. There's a lot of good jobs out there for people with 2 year degrees also. I started with one before I went on to a higher degree and I made $18 the day I graduated from Stark State, with only about $8k in student loan debt. I picked something in high demand with the ability to make more money and move up with a more advanced degree, and that's exactly what I did. It's a great, cheap option for people who want to better their lives financially. Poor people can even do trade skills and technical college for free on the governments dime. It's up to them to make the decision to do it though. The only poor people I have any real sympathy for are the disabled, everyone else only have themselves to blame and they have the power to change their situation if they want to. Screw the rest of us by jacking up minimum wage? Sorry but I worked hard to be where I am, I don't want to be knocked down a few pegs because people who work at dollar general want a big raise.