Morris Claiborne Vs. Trent Richardson: pick a side

[Damage]

Not trying to prove anything, but this is just depressing.

See, I think Green was a bust because of his head and not his body, whereas Courtney Brown was a non factor due to his body letting him down. And no, I will never say Brown was a bust. Not his fault injuries killed his career. When he played & was healthy, he was fucking incredible

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

But that's dependent on a bevy of factors. I will concede that the bust rate for 1st round CB's is probably higher than it is for 1st round RB's. But outside of the QB position, CB is the hardest position in the NFL.

My point is if the median age for a CB is 26+, it probably has more to do with them not being able to keep up w/ receivers, reading coverages, etc than it does with injuries. With RB's, it's see the hole, hit the hole, extend the play. If the median age for a RB is 26-, it probably has more to do with them being injury prone.

Other reasons to pass on Trent would be Ray Rice, Shady McCoy, Arian Foster, MJD, Michael Turner, Al Gore, Matt Forte, Ben Tate & Fred Jackson.

:rofl:

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

William Green isn't even close to the player that Trent Richardson will be.

From the moment Trent Richardson steps on an NFL field, he'll be a top 10 NFL back. Again, his vision, feet, and power are almost unmatched.

Claiborne is probably going to be a good player, has some of the best cover skills of any corner in this draft, but he's not the game breaker/play maker we need.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Ask a Minnesota Vikings fan what an elite RB gets you without a passing game to open it up.

In today's NFL, the pass opens up the box for the run more often than vice versa.

You take Claiborne, you now have a strength on this team (your pass defense). You have two elite players who are going to play 10 years.

You take Richardson, you get similar results to Hillis. Teams stack the box, and all you do for the next few years is wear him down so that he's no longer an elite force when you're ready to contend.

We tried to improve our passing game this year with our stab at RG3. It didn't happen. So go out and improve your team. The goal isn't to win as many games next year as possible. The goal is to build a team with a strong foundation that can be good for a long period of time and compete for championships.

The fan in me wants Richardson. The smart choice is Claiborne.

 

[MD13]

NFL Network's Mike Lombardi reported on Path to the Draft Friday night that the Jaguars have a higher grade on Stephon Gilmore than Morris Claiborne.
NFL Films' Greg Cosell also stated in a Friday radio interview that Gilmore is a better prospect than Claiborne, the 2011 Thorpe Award winner. "He's a hot guy," Lombardi said of Gilmore. "I was told Jacksonville actually likes him more than Claiborne." Lombardi also sent Gilmore to the Jags in his latest mock draft. At this point, we'd be surprised if Gilmore got out of the top-ten picks, and No. 7 seems his likeliest destination.

Via Rotoworld.

Part of me thinks this is pre-draft smokescreens, but Cosell goes by his own rankings and he's about as qualified as anyone not working for an nfl team.

 

[RealKingofCleve]

But that's dependent on a bevy of factors. I will concede that the bust rate for 1st round CB's is probably higher than it is for 1st round RB's. But outside of the QB position, CB is the hardest position in the NFL.

My point is if the median age for a CB is 26+, it probably has more to do with them not being able to keep up w/ receivers, reading coverages, etc than it does with injuries. With RB's, it's see the hole, hit the hole, extend the play. If the median age for a RB is 26-, it probably has more to do with them being injury prone.

Other reasons to pass on Trent would be Ray Rice, Shady McCoy, Arian Foster, MJD, Michael Turner, Al Gore, Matt Forte, Ben Tate & Fred Jackson.

Are you basing this on anything or just pulling it out of your ass? The best defense in the NFL (49ers) didn't draft either of their starting corners last year. How many first round corners have the Steelers drafted?

 

[Scholar]

Are you basing this on anything or just pulling it out of your ass? The best defense in the NFL (49ers) didn't draft either of their starting corners last year. How many first round corners have the Steelers drafted?

At least one Hall of Fame corner back. Wonder if they'd have preferred to have not drafted him? :detective

 

[DCunleaded]

The opportunity to grab either of guys gives Cleveland the opportunity to carve a unique niche into the NFL, thus accelerating their ascent. Let me 'splain:

Richardson: I won't dwell on what everybody else in the thread has echoed; his compact build, vision, three-down ability, hands, speed, et al. One thing nobody is hitting on here, is how defenses are going to start trending towards smaller sized LBs to combat the new dynamic TEs. Instead of fire-breathing tackling machines, NFL teams will start looking for smaller, quicker LBs to cover the Gronks, Hernandez', Camerons lol, Gates, etc. A physical RB like Richardson coming off tackle vs an OLB is six yards every fucking down, son!

Claiborne: I love the theory that drafting Mo Clay upgrades the Browns' D at three positions; that is some serious bang4thebuck that Heckert will be looking HARD at. With the NFL becoming such a passing league, having two lockdown CBs would literally take away both outer sides of the field. That means offenses might focus their energy toward the center of the field, where Ward and Sheldon are lurking. I'd love to see what a great defensive mind like Jauron could do, knowing he has two shutdown CBs in the starting lineup..

 

[AZ_]

Ask a Minnesota Vikings fan what an elite RB gets you without a passing game to open it up.

In today's NFL, the pass opens up the box for the run more often than vice versa.

You take Claiborne, you now have a strength on this team (your pass defense). You have two elite players who are going to play 10 years.

You take Richardson, you get similar results to Hillis. Teams stack the box, and all you do for the next few years is wear him down so that he's no longer an elite force when you're ready to contend.

We tried to improve our passing game this year with our stab at RG3. It didn't happen. So go out and improve your team. The goal isn't to win as many games next year as possible. The goal is to build a team with a strong foundation that can be good for a long period of time and compete for championships.

The fan in me wants Richardson. The smart choice is Claiborne.

One step at a time, they can address their lack of passing game next year if necessary.

But you don't pass on a gamechanger.

 

[MDLT]

One step at a time, they can address their lack of passing game next year if necessary.

But you don't pass on a gamechanger.

Agreed. The fact that a good QB is critical for NFL success doesn't mean you should pass on Richardson.

I'm leaning heavily towards Trent now. I like Greg Little, but the fact that he is probably our biggest offensive weapon is comical. Get some stud playmakers in here, ASAP.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

One step at a time, they can address their lack of passing game next year if necessary.

But you don't pass on a gamechanger.

Yeah, that's why you take Claiborne.

By the time the Browns are ready to compete, Richardson very well might not be a game changer anymore.

 

[chumpclassic]

Yeah, that's why you take Claiborne.

By the time the Browns are ready to compete, Richardson very well might not be a game changer anymore.

I completely disagree. We have a good young core of players on this team. If we draft well and Grab a RB WR RT and LB/DE/CB then our number of needs come down dramatically. After a draft like that we would have improved our Offense greatly and added a young player to our team strength of Defense. If McCoy is as bad as everyone thinks he is and the schedule is hard as everyone thinks then we should have the 1st overall pick. Or McCoy could show that with a full offseason and offensive weapons he can actually be a good Quarterback in this league. Either way we draft well this year theres no reason we can't be ready to compete next year and I doubt Richardson is gonna lose his game changing ability after one season.

 

[AZ_]

Yeah, that's why you take Claiborne.

By the time the Browns are ready to compete, Richardson very well might not be a game changer anymore.

And Claiborne may have lost a step, and they'll be needing an upgrade.

Good thing the Browns took Gerard Warren over LT, little did we know the Browns would never complete during the length of his career.

 

[The Oi]

Here's the thing...taking Trent Richardson right now doesn't preclude you from taking a QB next year. The problem with the Vikings is that they never got a legitimate QB to open things up for AP.

Remember, it's not like the Browns are choosing between a QB and RB at 4 this year. If they REALLY want a QB, they can probably get one of Weeden or Tannehill.

Or...they could do the smart thing and take neither of them and grab another WR with their other first.

 

[Soda]

What the Browns need is to begin having balance. They had a top-10 defense last year that could be even better this year. I know that Claiborne will likely take that defense into the top-5, but they will have just delayed the inevitable for another year. I'd rather have another team need to focus on playing the Browns rather than the Browns defense. How you pass on a guy who can both improve the offense and give the defense much needed rest is not something I'm prepared to try to understand. A #2 corner is not a need like a starting RB. The corner is a luxury, not a need.