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He was surrounded by two ball dominant players and was relegated to a catch and shoot player which isn't his game. Much like how Bosh or KLove were relegated to different roles playing with DWade/Lebron and Kyrie/LeBron. Reddish is a play maker but never got that opportunity at Duke.

To add to this. I think Reddish was asked to be a catch and shoot player because they lacked shooters which is very unlike a normal Duke team. Also Barrett wasn't good off the ball and Tre Jones shot 26.2% from 3. They needed him out on the perimeter shooting to stop teams from packing the paint even more than they already were.

They couldn't afford to allow to let him to handle the ball because no one could switch out to the perimeter to compensate for his catch and shoot ability. It might also partly explain some his poor 2 pt percentage and ability to get to the rim because if he had the ball every defender could cheat down to the paint since there weren't any 3 point threats.
 
A guy surrounded by two great players (who should have taken the pressure and defense off him) shot 35 % overall and 33 % from 3?
He can't shoot based on his college career...and he doesn't seem like the most motivated guy out there either. He's got all the measurables,,for what thats worth.
I am no fan of Reddish but he shot better from NBA 3pt range than Hunter did. I still think he has bust written all over him though, just doesn't have the drive to make it
 
He shot 33 percent from three on 7 threes per game showing NBA Level range. Considering he was a 18 year old kid learning how to play off the ball thats not terrible. Shot 77 percent from the Free Throw line. He underperformed in college. I am not arguing that. He showed range in college. More range then Barrett, more consistent then Culver. When people see his mid 30s FG percentage not realizing that over 60 percent of his shot attempts were from three.

Also showed some upside in getting steals and blocks. 1.6 SPG for Reddish vs .9 for Barrett in 6 less minutes per game. Also got .6 blocks vs .4 for Barrett. Shot higher from three then Barrett on more attempts. Shot much better from the line. It really is not Reddish's fault that he was thrust into the role of 4th ball handler behind Zion, Barrett, Tre Jones. He does his best work with the ball in his hands. He couldn't show case that at Duke. He is not a bad player fans fell in love with. Hes a talented player who was in a situation where he couldn't show case his skills.

I think Reddish's 3 pt percentage will go up quiet a bit when a NBA coach helps him get his feet set and focuses what types of 3 point shots he takes. He doesn't need to copy every move in the book on the perimeter to get his shot off. He clearly has mimicked every move from the top shooters in the game. A good coach will focus in on when and where he should use certain moves. What move are ineffective and just need to be taken out of his game completely.
 
He shot 33 percent from three on 7 threes per game showing NBA Level range. Considering he was a 18 year old kid learning how to play off the ball thats not terrible. Shot 77 percent from the Free Throw line. He underperformed in college. I am not arguing that. He showed range in college. More range then Barrett, more consistent then Culver. When people see his mid 30s FG percentage not realizing that over 60 percent of his shot attempts were from three.

Also showed some upside in getting steals and blocks. 1.6 SPG for Reddish vs .9 for Barrett in 6 less minutes per game. Also got .6 blocks vs .4 for Barrett. Shot higher from three then Barrett on more attempts. Shot much better from the line. It really is not Reddish's fault that he was thrust into the role of 4th ball handler behind Zion, Barrett, Tre Jones. He does his best work with the ball in his hands. He couldn't show case that at Duke. He is not a bad player fans fell in love with. Hes a talented player who was in a situation where he couldn't show case his skills.
The problem with your entire argument is that it revolves around Reddish's high school achievements. Why? Because he played like shit at Duke. You're also cherry picking stats that make Reddish look better than he actually was while strategically leaving out all the bad. You can do the same thing with any player in this draft. Also, didn't someone post Reddish's stats with Zion out? IIRC, they were shit too.
 
The problem with your entire argument is that it revolves around Reddish's high school achievements. Why? Because he played like shit at Duke. You're also cherry picking stats that make Reddish look better than he actually was while strategically leaving out all the bad. You can do the same thing with any player in this draft. Also, didn't someone post Reddish's stats with Zion out? IIRC, they were shit too.

I was not cherry picking stats. I said he played bad and underachieved at Duke. I said the truth he shot better percentages then RJ Barrett from the FT Line and from 3. He took over 60 percent of his shot attempts from 3. I never even said I wanted Reddish. But to say hes a bad player and doesn't have upside is just plain stupid. I pointed out his strengths. Hes a player that the coaching staff can develop. He was misused at Duke.

I didn't mention anything about Reddish's high school achievements. I mentioned his college stats where he was a better shooter then RJ Barrett from 3 point land, Better at the FT Line and more productive on the defensive side of the court. I said Reddish is a play maker because he is. He thrives with the ball in his hands. He wasn't put into that role in College but that doesn't mean hes trash. Hes a developmental prospect who showed NBA Range, Showed the knack for getting in passing lanes and getting steals. Even blocked a little bit.
 
Here's something that bothers me about Reddish that's a bit difficult to explain. If Zion, Barrett, and Reddish were all top 5 talents, then I think there should have been games when Reddish looks like perhaps the best prospect, or at least the 2nd best prospect... even if just for 1 or 2 game stretches.

But instead, it became very clear, very early, that Zion and Barrett were on a different level than Reddish. And eventually, you could see that Zion is likely on a level even above Barrett.

The fact that Reddish was so clearly the 3rd best prospect in that group has me thinking maybe it's not such a close 3rd. So maybe not 5th best talent overall... maybe closer to 10-15 range.
 
I was not cherry picking stats. I said he played bad and underachieved at Duke. I said the truth he shot better percentages then RJ Barrett from the FT Line and from 3. He took over 60 percent of his shot attempts from 3. I never even said I wanted Reddish. But to say hes a bad player and doesn't have upside is just plain stupid. I pointed out his strengths. Hes a player that the coaching staff can develop. He was misused at Duke.

I didn't mention anything about Reddish's high school achievements. I mentioned his college stats where he was a better shooter then RJ Barrett from 3 point land, Better at the FT Line and more productive on the defensive side of the court. I said Reddish is a play maker because he is. He thrives with the ball in his hands. He wasn't put into that role in College but that doesn't mean hes trash. Hes a developmental prospect who showed NBA Range, Showed the knack for getting in passing lanes and getting steals. Even blocked a little bit.
Dude, your entire argument boils down to how Reddish was "misused at Duke", which is clearly a reference to his high school usage. Take that history away and all these discussions about Reddish vanish because his high school status -- dominating bag boys -- is the main reason he's even in the lottery conversation.

Where I do agree with you is that Reddish does have potential and is absolutely a developmental prospect. However, when the discussion surrounding a prospect isn't about whether or not his talent will translate, but attempts to explain why he sucked in college, that's a fricking huge red flag to me -- especially at the 5 spot.

What's wrong with drafting the best prospect among those who weren't shell-shocked in college?
 
Guy gets fleeced and you miss him? He got a player who was drafted cause his dad had a big mouth, Brandon Ingram who might not play again with his health issues, Josh Hart, 3 Picks. The most valuable of which hes trying to trade for a vet. I am confused as to why you miss him.
Just a terrible take.

He got an unbelievable haul considering he essentially owns every LA 1st post-LeBron for 4 years and also #4 this year.
 
I am no fan of Reddish but he shot better from NBA 3pt range than Hunter did. I still think he has bust written all over him though, just doesn't have the drive to make it


Wow, that’s a very damning thing to say. I assume you must have some firsthand evidence to make such a claim?

Reddish is a very talented kid, who possesses ideal size, skill, & athleticism for an NBA wing. He can do much more than he was allowed to show at Duke.
 
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Wow, that’s a very damning thing to say. I assume you must have some firsthand evidence to make such a claim?

Reddish is a very talented but kid with idea size, skill, & athleticism. He can do much more than he was allowed to show at Duke.

This may be true, but my counter to this would be...

Will Reddish ever play for an NBA team with two teammates that had as much gravity and commanded as much attention from defenses as Zion/RJ did at the college level?

Per Synergy, Reddish was unguarded/wide open on 45 percent of his catch-and-shoot attempts. And yet, he averaged just .847 PPP on those attempts (27th percentile). Overall he had 193 spot-up shots and was just 33rd percentile.

Sticking Reddish on the ball more means he'll have to create his own shot more. Maybe he'll benefit from that, but for the vast majority of players shot creation is a tougher and less efficient play than shooting wide open off someone else's gravity/creation.

If you like Reddish and want to hang your hat on one thing, it was that he was very effective as a pick and roll ball handler (1.114 PPP, 96th percentile). The only real hesitation with those numbers is that it was a very limited sample size, just 44 possessions over the whole season. Compare that to someone like Culver who had over 200 pick and roll actions last year and his sample size is literally 5x bigger. We know what Culver was able to do with a much bigger workload, the odds seem pretty likely that Reddish's efficiency as a pick and roll handler would have dipped dramatically with 5x the workload and without the advantage of having defenses keyed in on two other guys.

We'll see. There's just not many reasons to be optimistic about Reddish IMO.
 
My concern about Reddish is that to justify picking him near the top you have to explain away his disappointing performance at Duke. I don't think you are likely to find untapped potential in that scenario when no teams were keying on him. I would much prefer Langford simply because he was the main guy at Indiana and played hurt most of the season. In the limited pre-injury games, he looked special.
 
I'm really starting to get nervous over this Reddish talk,,,like we actually might take him at 5? Why?

I don't like it either. Before the college season Reddish is who I wanted but I can't ignore his performance this season. Same with Barrett. While they both may develop into the very highly rated players they were coming out of high school. I just feel like why take risks with high lottery picks when you have other guys that outperformed them.
 
Guy gets fleeced and you miss him? He got a player who was drafted cause his dad had a big mouth, Brandon Ingram who might not play again with his health issues, Josh Hart, 3 Picks. The most valuable of which hes trying to trade for a vet. I am confused as to why you miss him.
Fleeced isn't really a great assessment of value for a disgruntled player but yeah those 3 picks are probably mid-late firsts so the value has to be based on what he can flip the 4 for or who it produces from the draft. He must see Ball as good value despite his struggles in LA , and to his credit Ball is a solid defender for a guard with elite passing skills despite his troubled shooting. He is a good pairing for Zion and it will be the new LOB city as a result. As far as Ingram goes, it all comes down to health and is a serviceable starter not yet in his prime etc.
Boston wasn't giving up Tatum for a rental
 
I don't like it either. Before the college season Reddish is who I wanted but I can't ignore his performance this season. Same with Barrett. While they both may develop into the very highly rated players they were coming out of high school. I just feel like why take risks with high lottery picks when you have other guys that outperformed them.
System system system . College freshman often struggle when removed from their primary roles and the competition is elevated and it's reasonable to assume the same or worse will happen at the next level, but Reddish had a muscle issue that goes along way to cover his passiveness overall. I still don't like him that much at 5 but the tools are there if somebody in the org is confident the muscle issue is the only reason he was passive and the muscle issue is not something that will plague his career.
 

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