Discussion in '(MLB) Cleveland Indians' started by Gunther, Jan 9, 2013.
Congrats to . . . no one.
To be fair, who would they elect?
Biggio is good but the BBWAA is never going to vote him in 1st ballot because BBWAA is a bunch of crusty old men who believe in myths and dragons and bullshit. BBWAA is never going to vote in the big names of this class.
I had Biggio at about 60-63 percent.
68 is strong, and leads me to believe he gets in eventually.
Jack Morris has no business in the Hall, Schilling maybe but he's such a dickhead I can't root for him.
Nobody else gets in IMO.
This should be one of Martin Luther's Thesis.
And then he should nail it to the door of every media personality in every market.
"Oh, but he was such a good big game pitcher!" Yeah? Well so was Chad Ogea, should we put him in the HOF too?
Whoever voted for Aaron Sele should have their vote taken away. Clearly the vote was because they are friends with the dude. C'mon he was an allstar twice, highest finish in the cy young was 5th and has a career 4.61 era.
Also, what the hell was Ryan Klesco's name doing on there?
Because of their low "scores", Lofton and Sandy can no longer be voted in.
Sandy and Lofton weren't HOF'ers anyway. Not even close.
Take a closer look at Lofton's numbers, specifically his WAR (104th All-Time) and you can make a better case for him than some of the guys above him on the current ballot.
Very underrated and one of the top 10 center fielders of All-Time.
BUT, his game is not as well respected by Hall of Fame voters and most likely in my lifetime it never will be.
He's certainly a better option than Jack Morris, with a career 3.90 ERA, two 20-win seasons 11 years apart. Five All-Star appearances (Lofton-6) and 145th ranked pitcher WAR.
He had a 3.80 ERA in the post-season which is mediocre and the whole reason he's even involved in the discussion at this point. It's a joke, really.
Hey now...I'm gonna rather enjoy the highlight of the HoF be trying to explain to the world that Deacon White was one of the last living people who legitimately believed the earth was flat
Remember when Dale Murphy wasn't a hall of famer?
Only core member of those 90s Indians teams even close to HOF material is Vizquel.
The player that's 7th in all time home runs that's never been linked to steroids isn't?
Key words there. I'm not saying that Thome was in fact juicing, but given the era and the prevalence of the stuff I think the voters will focus a skeptical eye on his accomplishments. I think that skepticism will be enough to keep him out of the HOF for a very long time. But I do stand corrected - his numbers do appear to make him Hallworthy, if one assumes he was one of the few power hitters from his era that wasn't PEDing it.
Thome got his power from baling hay not PED's.
The numbers Bonds put up throughout his career were insane.
In 2004, this guy reached base 376 times, walked 232 times and was intentionally walked 120 times. In one year. And here's my all-time favorite Bonds stat: Even if he'd gotten no hits that year, he still would have had a higher OBP than the player who led the league in hits. --Jayson Stark
Kenny has a better argument than Vizquel.
Thome should and WILL be in without question. The only question is whether or not he is first ballot.
Why did Mike Piazza not get in? With next years stacked class, he'll be waiting a while.
Because he is supposedly linked with steroids.
But such is the way of the BBWAA. If you even looked at a person who was using Roids, you won't get in. Unless you are Goose Gossage, who admitted to using greenies and still got in, but that's because BBWAA.
@suss2hyphens: We may never know who voted for Aaron Sele, so we will have to cast suspicion on all baseball writers during that era