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Non-Varejao Trade Ideas

Discussion in 'Trades, Free Agency, & the Draft' started by runningfan2, Jan 11, 2013.

  1. runningfan2

    runningfan2 Rookie

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    Now that the probability of Anderson Varejao being traded has subsided (probably until the offseason), it's time to look at other potential trades the Cavaliers might make. Despite the loss of Varejao, the Cavaliers still have several potential trade assets that could be utilized before the trade deadline. The main assets are the expiring contracts of Luke Walton, Daniel Gibson, and Omri Casspi, the $10 million dollars in cap space the Cavs currently have, and the five (possibly six depending on how the Kings' pick shakes out) first round picks the team has over the next three years. While some of the assets can or will be available over the summer, some will not, and I'd like to focus on some things the Cavs could do before the upcoming trade deadline.


    Asset #1: Luke Walton and his six million dollar expiring contract. While Walton has had some moments this season, most observers would agree that he is no longer a rotation-caliber NBA player. He also remains the most likely Cavalier to be moved by the trade deadline. Any Walton trade will probably involve taking on a longer contract another team wants to be rid of, as well as a promising young player or draft pick for the Cavaliers' troubles. Examples of potential trades might be Walton to the Milwaukee Bucks for Drew Gooden and a young player such as John Henson or Tobias Harris, or Walton to Denver for Wilson Chandler and a protected draft pick.


    Assets #2 and #3: Daniel Gibson and Omri Casspi's contracts. While Gibson's contract is double that of Casspi's, they both offer similar value to contending teams; a solid three point shooter with an expiring contract. Either of these players have more value than Walton in that their play could actually help a contending team. Teams that need three point shooting such as Denver, Minnesota, and Utah might be interested. Trade examples would be either player to Denver for Chandler and Jordan Hamilton, to Utah along with a low first or second round pick for Alec Burks, and to Minnesota for JJ. Barea.


    Asset #4: Cap Space. The Cavs are unlikely to use all of their cap space in any one deal, but they could absorb a bad contract as long as a solid young player or draft pick came back. Besides acquiring the players and assets previously listed, A trade for Tayshaun Prince or Charlie Villanueva and a first round pick is a possibility, as is a trade for John Salmons and either a lessening of the protections of the Kings' picked owed the Cavs, or the addition of a player such as Jason Thompson or even Thomas Robinson.
    Asset #5: Draft picks. The will probably trade some of these picks in the future. The most likely scenario is to move up higher in the draft much like the way they acquired Tyler Zeller. That being said, they could also be packaged to trade for a fairly young star level player they really like. Rudy Gay’s relative inefficiency combined with his contract don't scream a typical Cavaliers deal, but a trade for Thaddeus Young may make more sense.


    What are some things you see the Cavs doing going forward? As frustrating as this season has been, Chris Grant is typically a very active General Manager, and the Cavs are as likely as any team to make a move before the deadline.
     
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  2. AMC

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  3. beefstew

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    I really don't see any trade to be really made outside of Andy, but that's just me.
    Yeah we have expiring contacts, but who's really left out there that is tradeable and not on a "super" team?
    I see the deadline coming and going this year for us.
     
  4. CavsFanJapan

    CavsFanJapan US NAVY, RETIRED

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    I would think that the new CBA really kicking in next year may make expiring contracts more valuable then they were before. It will be interesting to see what Grant does.
     
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    sgm405 NBA Starter

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    I think the Cavaliers are more likely to make a trade in the offseason - either to jump in the draft or to deal Andy.
     
  6. runningfan2

    runningfan2 Rookie

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    The reason I could still be a trade before the deadline is teams can still avoid paying the tax for this season if they cut salary soon.
     
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    Sup.

    I'm running the cavs in an offseason forum mock on another website and I put varejao on the block and stated that I have an expiring contract in Luke Walton.

    The dude running the magic offered Al Harrington for Walton.

    Yay or nay? If nay, what do you take from the magic for him?
     
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    Nay. Harrington's still owed lots of $$$ after this year (only 1/2 of each of the next 2 seasons is guaranteed, tho).

    They have a couple of #1's in future years that might be nice
     
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    So what's your counter offer? (If you feel like thinking of one)
     
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    Walton for Harrington, PHI #1 (2015), and LAL #1 (2017)
     
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    Make it their own pick in 2014 and 2016. Or the Phi #1 in 2015 and Maurice Harkless.
     
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    He doesn't want to give up first founders. As far as I'm concerned that kills it for me.
     
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    Luke Walton for Richard Jefferson + Right to swap Heat pick with Golden State's own 2013 1st round pick (protected 7-30) + 2015 1st round pick unprotected.
     
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    How nasty is his contract? This seems like it's a rather steep price for the Warriors.
     
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    Cavs would be paying about an additional 15 million total in this trade, contract expires after next season.
     
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    Golden State would benefit a ton considering they look to be a playoff team in the West now. if they're truly feel confident about their roster it's a trade i could see them making.




    Grape vines???:fingersx:
     
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    Three team deal. The Grizzlies get Thaddeus Young and Omri Casspi. The Sixers get Luke Walton and CJ Miles. The Cavs get Rudy Gay and Arnett Moultrie.

    The Sixers are unlikely to make the playoffs and are over the cap. This gives them the chance to get under the cap and possibly retool somewhat around Holiday, Turner, this year's lottery pick, and possibly Bynum. The Cavs could throw in a lower first round pick as well.

    The Grizzlies get a cheaper and arguably better player in Young and a floor spacer in Casspi.They save significant money.

    The Cavs get a very good small forward in Gay and a cheap young big in Moultrie who could be in the rotation as the fourth big when Varejao returns.
     
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    I'm beginning to think, as the possiblity of Lebron James becomes more and more likely for the 2014 season, and with Varejao's trade value being negatively impacted due to his string of bad injuries the past three seasons .. I mean, if the return for Varejao would be a mid to late 1st round pick that has in it's likelihood a Tyler Zeller level big man prospect ....It may actually be better for us, if we are anticipating hitting the ground running in 2014 trying to get a championship right out of the gate ...having Varejao onboard would not only make coming back to CLE all the more intrigueing and us more able to contend right away in Lebron's eyes ...but he would be a great chemistry fit for us as a team to be perfectly honest.

    If you presume we lock down our young center of the future in this coming draft, then it would be a perfect role for Varejao, late in his career, to go back to the role that suits his style of play, and our needs perfectly at that point, as a super-sub big man off the bench. Say we also get our starting SG either via trade, draft, or free agency ...we could presumably have a rotation of Len, Thompson, James, SG, Irving .... and our bench rotation of Varejao, Waiters, Gee.

    Then possibly use Zeller, our plethora of extra picks to go along with our own ...and our advantage of cap space etc ...to parlay those to find a top notch starting SG ... NOW,... ! That my friends is a young quality rotation that could be a championship level favorite for many years in succession ... dream away.... I am.
     
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  19. chrisrich91

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    You make sense, but this line of thinking walks a dangerous line...

    I'm all for maintaining cap flexibility into 2014. That's not a LeBron-or-bust mentality, as cap flexibility can benefit the team in many more ways than just signing LeBron. Holding on to an aging asset with the hopes of LeBron coming back in 2014 and our immediate contention is a totally different story. However, if Varejao would only net us a late 1st, I guess I'm for keeping him...but not in the hope of a LeBron signing. I'd keep him because of his tremendous veteran leadership and work ethic. Having that stability in a young locker room is worth more than a late 1st.

    I know you're just brainstorming though, W&G...IF we could be certain that LeBron was coming back in 2014, Varejao would be an absolutely invaluable piece to that team. I just don't trust that scumbag enough to ever let him dictate anything in the Cavaliers organization or rebuild strategy.
     
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    So we'd only get to flip picks with GS if their pick landed 1-6 in this draft, right? They're currently running 10.5 games ahead of the 6th slotted team (Orlando). Though I guess they could be a team to fall out of the playoff race and end up in the 12-14th slots, which would offer the chance of some lottery magic.

    Not sure what to make out of their 2015 #1. They have about $35.3 million tied up in Lee, Curry, Barnes, Thompson, Ezeli, and Green .. so they'd have some cap room to bring someone in before the 2014-15 season, even if they brought Bogut back .. which could help put their 2015 #1 in the 20's.

    Seems like kind of a risky deal for the Cavs. The Warriors would seem to make out pretty well in that they'd be getting out of the Luxury Tax for the next couple of years, giving them a good amount of flexibility.
     

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