Obama's Plan to Regulate the Internet is 332 Pages. The Public Can't Read It!

[FiveThous]

Ignorance is bliss

 

[OptimusPrime]

Get ready for the beginning of government datacenters.

If you believe the only thing keeping us safe from gov't censorship of the internet is the feasibility of it, then get ready. Because that's what they are going to make sure happens.

This is the same country that made it a crime to speak out against America less than 6 years after it came into existence. The same country that made speaking out against World War 1 a punishable offense. And the same country that has made protesting anywhere near the President a federal crime.

You say it's not possible to be done based on the current infrastructure. I'm telling you they'll just build a new infrastructure. Wait for it.

You are absolutely right. But the government has had datacenters for years now. They are just waiting until enough of the sheep are tamed before they put the data to use.

 

[Steve_424]

Weakens the credibility of my argument? It's all about HIS credibility. Come on, the guy ran on transparency! His first day in office he promised no secrets. Obama: "Let me say it as simply as i can: transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency!". Seriously?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72g7qmeP1dE





You take issue with me calling Obama, "President Transparency", but then call me a brainwashed moron because i dont want 332 pages of regulations to be passed without the people or their representative being able to see them first?? It's a secret vote! It's all being negotiated behind closed doors by a select few!! They refuse to testify before Congress about what's in it!!! You are in favor of this? I'm the brainwashed moron?

I'm just saying it's pretty clear your anti-Obama to start, so I doubt you're going to objectively see this issue from all angles. I may be wrong though.

 

[OptimusPrime]

I'm just saying it's pretty clear your anti-Obama to start, so I doubt you're going to objectively see this issue from all angles. I may be wrong though.

How do you feel about all of his talk about transparency and then hiding the content of this from the public?

 

[Steve_424]

As someone who was directly and indirectly effected by Snowden, more power to him.

There is no absolutely no benefit to government secrecy. There is no benefit to having every aspect of my life monitored by an outside organization. There is no benefit for me to allow a government that doesn't follow it's own rules to continue to have power.

If you even understood what "plan on being a terrorist or associating with terrorists" means to the government, you wouldn't be so quick as to defend them. Ever protested? You're a low level terrorist. Ever donated money to any religious group, humanitarian charity, etc? You're a low level terrorist.

Do you understand that by the meaning of the word terrorist, if you've ever so much as said that you didn't agree with something the gov't did, YOU ARE A TERRORIST?

I'm sorry, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let someone declare me a terrorist because I don't believe in his money and power.

You subscribe to InfoWars, don't you?

 

[Steve_424]

How do you feel about all of his talk about transparency and then hiding the content of this from the public?

I don't think it would impact much either way - most people wouldn't even read it - but I do think it should have been made public.

 

[Maximus]

I'm just saying it's pretty clear your anti-Obama to start, so I doubt you're going to objectively see this issue from all angles. I may be wrong though.

I'd feel the same way if the President were hand picked by me. If he said we are going to pass major legislation without letting the public OR CONGRESS see all the details first, i'd tell him he's an idiot. Especially if one of his key promises was doing the exact opposite. Even Gour, who worked both of Obama's campaigns, has admitted that secret meetings and votes is bullshit.

Back in 2007, then-Senator Barack Obama insisted that the FCC put out in public any changes that they are proposing before they vote on it. As Mr. Obama said at the time: “Congress and the public have the right to review any specific proposal and decide whether or not it constitutes sound policy.” Power does have a way of changing one’s preferences.

 

[Man Called X]

You subscribe to InfoWars, don't you?

Nope. Can honestly say I do not spend any significant time reading any website dealing with conspiracies.

 

[NasstyNate]

I'd feel the same way if the President were hand picked by me. If he said we are going to pass major legislation without letting the public OR CONGRESS see all the details first, i'd tell him he's an idiot. Especially if one of his key promises was doing the exact opposite. Even Gour, who worked both of Obama's campaigns, has admitted that secret meetings and votes is bullshit.

Can you explain what role the president plays in FCC decision-making and how he could have made this process more transparent?

@spydy13 and @gourimoko - I have to commend you both for your patience. The amount of ignorance in this thread is just staggering.

 

[Maximus]

Can you explain what role the president plays in FCC decision-making and how he could have made this process more transparent?

The role the president is supposed to play in FCC-decision making is to be independent. The roll this president played was far from independent. The White House wrote the rules and told Wheeler to pass the rules. How could Obama have made it more transparent? He could have allowed the 322 pages of regs to be released so voters, representatives and experts could see them. He could have allowed Wheeler to testify before the Oversight Committee when they asked to see what the hell this major legislation was going to be. He could have allowed Wheeler to produce documents requested by the Commission about his coordination with the White House and the FCC...which again, is supposed to be independent.

My statement in the previous post wasn't just about yesterday's FCC decision. It's about both of Obama's terms as president. He promised transparency. He promised to post all legislation on-line for voters and experts to be able to review and comment before he signed things into law. That promise failed miserably...the biggest example being Obamacare. "We have to pass the bill, so you can see what's in it" Pelosi said. Once back room deals and bribes were made, it narrowly passed, then Obama signed it...no waiting period as he had promised. Zero transparency.

Now his new toy is executive action. Just yesterday he said, "What we’ve done is we’ve expanded my authorities under executive action". Wha??? It doesn't matter anymore what our other elected officials or public think. If he wants it, he's just going to do it...amnesty, banning bullets, whatever. Checks and balances be damned. It's good to be king...

 

[AZ_]

"We have to pass the bill, so you can see what's in it"

I see this boilerplate quote so often, would you have the actual text so I can make sure it's not wildly taken out of context in a political spectrum shattered by hatred and partisanship?

 

[RonG]

Can you explain what role the president plays in FCC decision-making and how he could have made this process more transparent?

@spydy13 and @gourimoko - I have to commend you both for your patience. The amount of ignorance in this thread is just staggering.

Honestly how can it be anything but ignorance when the new rules and the 332 page document was discussed and agreed to behind closed doors? Literally 1/100th of the information is out there now about it.

 

[NasstyNate]

The role the president is supposed to play in FCC-decision making is to be independent. The roll this president played was far from independent. The White House wrote the rules and told Wheeler to pass the rules. How could Obama have made it more transparent? He could have allowed the 322 pages of regs to be released so voters, representatives and experts could see them. He could have allowed Wheeler to testify before the Oversight Committee when they asked to see what the hell this major legislation was going to be. He could have allowed Wheeler to produce documents requested by the Commission about his coordination with the White House and the FCC...which again, is supposed to be independent.

As I suspected.

The White House has no authority to do anything that you suggested. The FCC comes to decisions wholly independent of presidential involvement. It could, and would have told the president to pound sand if he did anything you suggested. The president cannot order Wheeler to do anything, similarly to how he can write briefs and publicly advocate for supreme court justices to decide in his favor, yet cannot do anything concretely to make it so.

 

[OptimusPrime]

I see this boilerplate quote so often, would you have the actual text so I can make sure it's not wildly taken out of context in a political spectrum shattered by hatred and partisanship?

Why don't you go find the content of the regulations? Then when you can't you can come to your own conclusions why.

 

[Man Called X]

Yeah, clearly ex-military guy is the ignorant one in here because he's a conspiracy theorist. Again, you can be #2 shot when it all goes down.