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Sure sounds always change. Even faster now than ever.

I don't think rap/hiphop is just the "evolution" of rock music into something new. I think it's very different, just as country is also different from rock. it's a different musical form, just as blues is very different from classical. It's possible to have some overlap, but the core genres are very different structurally.

That's why "if you miss rock, just listen to hiphop" really doesn't work for a lot of folks. Most classical music fans won't get into country just because they don't have a local orchestra.
 
I don't think rap/hiphop is just the "evolution" of rock music into something new. I think it's very different, just as country is also different from rock. it's a different musical form, just as blues is very different from classical. It's possible to have some overlap, but the core genres are very different structurally.

That's why "if you miss rock, just listen to hiphop" really doesn't work for a lot of folks. Most classical music fans won't get into country just because they don't have a local orchestra.



Structurally different how?

Saying "the Innovation and energy is in Rap" isn't suggesting to listen to rap and its a direct replacement. The energy triple s wants and hard riffs are there and for him the overlap should be significant. Most of what you're quoting is talking about how music evolves and if you don't like it, that sucks, but that's what happens.
 
Structurally different how?

The treatment of time/rhythm, instrumentation, vocal patterns, etc....

It's why we don't think of Beethoven's Ninth as a blues song, Take 5 isn't disco, Stairway to Heaven isn't country, and GVF's Black Smoke Rising isn't rap. I suppose you could look at the attribute patterns in Pandora's Music Genome Project to get a more complete answer.

Saying "the Innovation and energy is in Rap" isn't suggesting to listen to rap and its a direct replacement.

It's suggesting that the only place there is energy and innovation is in rap. That's the point with which I disagree. I'm not disputing that there is energy and innovation in rap. To me, rap actually seems to be evolutionary descendant of punk, and some grunge/hardcore. But that's only one particular branch on the rock/popular music tree. Other branches have gone in other directions.
 
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Rap is new rock and its where all the energy is directed now. I guarantee everything you're missing from old school rock is still around just packaged differently.

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I grew up on punk rock, toured in a punk band etc etc. Hip hop, to me, is basically the evolution of punk rock and just coming from a different point of view/voice.

People look at me like I'm crazy when I say shit like that, so thanks for saying something similar.
 
I grew up on punk rock, toured in a punk band etc etc. Hip hop, to me, is basically the evolution of punk rock and just coming from a different point of view/voice.

People look at me like I'm crazy when I say shit like that, so thanks for saying something similar.
Yup agree. Anti establishment etc.

Acts that I doubt you respect literally did come from punk and hard core scenes and no one gave a shit until they transitioned to hip hop. Lots of guys rapping in slipknot and slayer T's too
 
Yup agree. Anti establishment etc.

Acts that I doubt you respect literally did come from punk and hard core scenes and no one gave a shit until they transitioned to hip hop. Lots of guys rapping in slipknot and slayer T's too

100% agree on this. It was always my dream to make a true hip-hop/punk band fusing the 2 together, but I could never make it work sonically. Just either never sounded right, or just sounded like a less talented RATM lol

Punk never died, it just sounds different. If you don't believe me, go listen to an odd future record.
 
. Hip hop, to me, is basically the evolution of punk rock and just coming from a different point of view/voice.

People look at me like I'm crazy when I say shit like that, so thanks for saying something similar.

People really don't see a connection between punk and rap/hiphop? Damn...seems kind of obvious.
 
I grew up on punk rock, toured in a punk band etc etc. Hip hop, to me, is basically the evolution of punk rock and just coming from a different point of view/voice.

People look at me like I'm crazy when I say shit like that, so thanks for saying something similar.

People like Kim Gordon sort of echo'd that sentiment in the early 90's.

also.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainme...ynolds-responds-to-criticism-from-other-bands

Mr. Reynolds,

You chose a very specific path for your music to go. You went for the commerce side of the biz. and a very formulaic sound.

I made a joke that the moment that "YOU'RE A NATURAL" single was released? That ESPN was going to be using it to promote it's College Football coverage. Within 3 weeks? I was proven right.

Get paid I guess. But don't throw this fit when people call you out over being Nickelback II.

Also "The 1975", "Foster the People" are great acts. The Pumpkins are criminally underrated.
 
Going through Chris Cornells discography..

Man what a weird journey. Euphoria morning is an amazing album. The next one is absolute shit and couldn't be less commercial. So then you're hit with an immediate radio friendly Justin Timberlake song and yiu can tell its Chris at the core but completely molested by what was hot at the time.
 
Saw grandson last night.

It was at a church with a 400 person capacity, I have no idea what that was about but really good show

Obvious rage against the machine influence, zep. Hop hop and trap beats. Every song hits hard

No pit until the very end. I have lkke 100 lbs and 10 years on everyone. Drummer threw stick out and it went directly into my hand but I dropped the fucker. Would have added that to the collection along with awolnations
 

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