Open Discussion (Cavs + related issues)

[czvo]

What we are seeing tonight in the first half is the beginning of Peak Cavs.

Love is maturing.

Kyrie is in his groove.

All 3 of the Big Three are in sync.

This is what it's going to look like, as long as we're healthy, until LeBron declines.

Many good years to come, my friends.

This was one of the most stunning games I've ever seen. You know, those last three wins against GS were exhilarating, but it was largely on the back of LeBron and Kyrie going supernova. Never before have I seen this team, from the first guy to the last, be on the same page for that long. For that first 24 minutes, it's like they shared one brain on offense and defense. It was amazing.

Now beat them this bad in Cleveland and get some rest.

 

[LeShaq]

PG01 -----> W ---2dr--> 123.0 ORTG ------> 121.8 DRTG ------> 088.6 Pace ----> Shoot-out; Shumpert benched...........LJ 43 min; KI 06 ast
PG02 -----> W ---1dr--> 122.5 ORTG ------> 116.2 DRTG ------> 095.5 Pace ----> JR gets hurt. Great defense 3Q...........LJ 42 min; KI 02 ast
PG03 -----> W ---2dr--> 124.8 ORTG ------> 119.6 DRTG ------> 095.3 Pace ----> Big comeback; great def 2nd half........LJ 45 min; KI 04 ast
PG04 -----> W ---2dr--> 109.2 ORTG ------> 105.1 DRTG ------> 097.1 Pace ----> Played good defense all game.............LJ 45 min; KI 00 ast
.
PG05 -----> W ---7dr--> 115.8 ORTG ------> 104.8 DRTG ------> 100.1 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 41 min; KI 10 ast
PG06 -----> W ---1dr--> 125.5 ORTG ------> 103.4 DRTG ------> 099.6 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 37 min; KI 11 ast
PG07 -----> W ---1dr--> 121.1 ORTG ------> 099.0 DRTG ------> 094.9 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 41 min; KI 04 ast
PG08 -----> W ---1dr--> 118.5 ORTG ------> 110.9 DRTG ------> 092.0 Pace ----> Tough closeout game.........................LJ 46 min; KI 09 ast
CLE first team in NBA history to start consecutive postseasons 8-0
.
PG09 -----> W ---9dr--> 127.3 ORTG ------> 113.1 DRTG ------> 091.9 Pace ----> Complete game thru 3Q.....................LJ 42 min; KI 06 ast
PG10 -----> W ---1dr--> 132.5 ORTG ------> 087.6 DRTG ------> 098.1 Pace ----> Annihilation.........................................LJ 33 min; KI 03 ast
CLE ties NBA record with 13th consecutive playoff win
PG11 -----> L ----1dr--> 120.1 ORTG ------> 123.4 DRTG ------> 089.9 Pace ----> Bad 2nd half.......................................LJ 45 min; KI 07 ast


Game 11 first half stats
ORTG = 140.4
DRTG = 106.3

 

[LeShaq]

PG01 -----> W ---2dr--> 123.0 ORTG ------> 121.8 DRTG ------> 088.6 Pace ----> Shoot-out; Shumpert benched...........LJ 43 min; KI 06 ast
PG02 -----> W ---1dr--> 122.5 ORTG ------> 116.2 DRTG ------> 095.5 Pace ----> JR gets hurt. Great defense 3Q...........LJ 42 min; KI 02 ast
PG03 -----> W ---2dr--> 124.8 ORTG ------> 119.6 DRTG ------> 095.3 Pace ----> Big comeback; great def 2nd half........LJ 45 min; KI 04 ast
PG04 -----> W ---2dr--> 109.2 ORTG ------> 105.1 DRTG ------> 097.1 Pace ----> Played good defense all game.............LJ 45 min; KI 00 ast
.
PG05 -----> W ---7dr--> 115.8 ORTG ------> 104.8 DRTG ------> 100.1 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 41 min; KI 10 ast
PG06 -----> W ---1dr--> 125.5 ORTG ------> 103.4 DRTG ------> 099.6 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 37 min; KI 11 ast
PG07 -----> W ---1dr--> 121.1 ORTG ------> 099.0 DRTG ------> 094.9 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 41 min; KI 04 ast
PG08 -----> W ---1dr--> 118.5 ORTG ------> 110.9 DRTG ------> 092.0 Pace ----> Tough closeout game.........................LJ 46 min; KI 09 ast
CLE first team in NBA history to start consecutive postseasons 8-0
.
PG09 -----> W ---9dr--> 127.3 ORTG ------> 113.1 DRTG ------> 091.9 Pace ----> Complete game thru 3Q.....................LJ 42 min; KI 06 ast
PG10 -----> W ---1dr--> 132.5 ORTG ------> 087.6 DRTG ------> 098.1 Pace ----> Annihilation.........................................LJ 33 min; KI 03 ast
CLE ties NBA record with 13th consecutive playoff win
PG11 -----> L ----1dr--> 120.1 ORTG ------> 123.4 DRTG ------> 089.9 Pace ----> Bad 2nd half.......................................LJ 45 min; KI 07 ast
PG12 -----> W ---1dr--> 124.0 ORTG ------> 109.6 DRTG ------> 090.3 Pace ----> Complete game..................................LJ 38 min; KI 04 ast

 

[czvo]

PG01 -----> W ---2dr--> 123.0 ORTG ------> 121.8 DRTG ------> 088.6 Pace ----> Shoot-out; Shumpert benched...........LJ 43 min; KI 06 ast
PG02 -----> W ---1dr--> 122.5 ORTG ------> 116.2 DRTG ------> 095.5 Pace ----> JR gets hurt. Great defense 3Q...........LJ 42 min; KI 02 ast
PG03 -----> W ---2dr--> 124.8 ORTG ------> 119.6 DRTG ------> 095.3 Pace ----> Big comeback; great def 2nd half........LJ 45 min; KI 04 ast
PG04 -----> W ---2dr--> 109.2 ORTG ------> 105.1 DRTG ------> 097.1 Pace ----> Played good defense all game.............LJ 45 min; KI 00 ast
.
PG05 -----> W ---7dr--> 115.8 ORTG ------> 104.8 DRTG ------> 100.1 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 41 min; KI 10 ast
PG06 -----> W ---1dr--> 125.5 ORTG ------> 103.4 DRTG ------> 099.6 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 37 min; KI 11 ast
PG07 -----> W ---1dr--> 121.1 ORTG ------> 099.0 DRTG ------> 094.9 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 41 min; KI 04 ast
PG08 -----> W ---1dr--> 118.5 ORTG ------> 110.9 DRTG ------> 092.0 Pace ----> Tough closeout game.........................LJ 46 min; KI 09 ast
CLE first team in NBA history to start consecutive postseasons 8-0
.
PG09 -----> W ---9dr--> 127.3 ORTG ------> 113.1 DRTG ------> 091.9 Pace ----> Complete game thru 3Q.....................LJ 42 min; KI 06 ast
PG10 -----> W ---1dr--> 132.5 ORTG ------> 087.6 DRTG ------> 098.1 Pace ----> Annihilation.........................................LJ 33 min; KI 03 ast
CLE ties NBA record with 13th consecutive playoff win
PG11 -----> L ----1dr--> 120.1 ORTG ------> 123.4 DRTG ------> 089.9 Pace ----> Bad 2nd half.......................................LJ 45 min; KI 07 ast
PG12 -----> W ---1dr--> 122.4 ORTG ------> 108.2 DRTG ------> 091.5 Pace ----> Complete game..................................LJ 38 min; KI 04 ast [numbs apprx]

You have the 2nd half D and O rating? Those had to be off the charts.

 

[LeShaq]

You have the 2nd half D and O rating? Those had to be off the charts.

I do not have those isolated by themselves, but you're right they are massive.

 

[LeShaq]

You have the 2nd half D and O rating? Those had to be off the charts.

Ok, I had a chance to run the numbers. Data is approximate, but very close to the actual figures.


Game 4 CLE ORTG (full gm) ----> 124.0 [+14.1 NRTG]
Game 4 CLE DRTG (full gm) ----> 109.6

Game 4 CLE ORTG (1st half) ---> 098.9 [-21.1 NRTG]
Game 4 CLE DRTG (1st half) ---> 120.0

Game 4 CLE ORTG (2nd half) ---> 147.7 [+52.2 NRTG]
Game 4 CLE DRTG (2nd half) ---> 095.5

 

[Simmy]

View: https://twitter.com/simmybeats/status/867510877091577856


Guys, I have to share this with you all. I can't remember if she's on RCF but Lauren - out of the goodness of her heart and at her own cost - internationally mailed me the Playoff tee and towel from The Q.

Man, I freaking love you guys, Cleveland. Every interaction I've had (in person when I was in town and online) reminds me of your unconditional generosity and friendship and lets me know that with this kind of love, I will always be one of you.

If you're on Twitter, send some love her way. She deserves it.

 

[BigJ]

I did some digging on bball-ref and found some interesting stats
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2017.html

Some general Team based Stuff:

-We have the best Offense in Playoff history by a wide Margin. The closest Team is the 86-87 Lakers with a 119.9 Offensive Rating compared to our 121.4
-When we assume we can force GSW to play at our Pace again they only score 112 Points and get only 43 Rebounds at our Pace compared to 115.2 Points and 42 Rebounds that we put up.
-We are not actually elite at getting a ton of rebounds but due to our Effeciency and Offensive Rebunding are elite at making the other Team rebound badly( 38 RPG for our Opponents)
-GSW allows their Opponents to shoot over 24 FT's a game compared to our 18.
-Wich ties into the second Point they tend to foul quite alot Over 20 Fouls per Game with a high percentage of that beeing Shooting fouls.
-We make over 1 Three more per Game playing at a 94.9 Pace compared to their 100.3 We shoot 2% better too
-We get More Offensive Rebounds 8.5 to their 8 again.. at a much slower pace..
-GSW gives up 11 Offensive Rebounds per Game.
-We get the ball Stolen much less at 7 Times per Game compared to GSWs 8.8 Times.
-They get blocked more than us

Now some Individual notes:

-Their Rebounding heavilly Relies on Green + KD wich will have problems Rebunding against TT,Love,Lebron
-KD and Green are around 3 Fouls per Game.. they can be put in foul trouble if you are Agressive. Their only True Rim Protector in Javale fouls 2 Times per Game... in 10 Minutes..
-Draymond Green likely wont keep Shooting .472 from Three. At some point he will regress.
-Klay is bad so far this Playoffs 14.4 Points on .380/.364
-Iggy has completly lost his 3pt Shot shooting .111 %
-They have no Strong Offensive Rebounder.. they are decent collectively but no one who comes close to TT or even Kev.
-As i said above they heavilly rely on KD and Green for Rebounds.. their 3rd Best Rebounder is Steph at 5.5 our 3rd best Rebounder is Lebron at 8
-Of their Key Rotation guys Only Green,Zaza,West and Mcgee play defense better than their Team average. Curry, KD, Klay,Iggy,Shaun,Clark,McCaw are all far below it. Meaning their best defenders are all Bigs.. Of whom 2 are foul Prone(Green and McGee) and the other Two you dont want in the Game with Lebron and Kyrie coming at you(Zaza and West) Their heralded Perimeter defenders arent that good at all. They are good when They dont face someone who can score on their Bigs.. If this safety net is not there they are mediocre.

 

[LeShaq]

PG01 -----> W ---2dr--> 123.0 ORTG ------> 121.8 DRTG ------> 088.6 Pace ----> Shoot-out; Shumpert benched...........LJ 43 min; KI 06 ast
PG02 -----> W ---1dr--> 122.5 ORTG ------> 116.2 DRTG ------> 095.5 Pace ----> JR gets hurt. Great defense 3Q...........LJ 42 min; KI 02 ast
PG03 -----> W ---2dr--> 124.8 ORTG ------> 119.6 DRTG ------> 095.3 Pace ----> Big comeback; great def 2nd half........LJ 45 min; KI 04 ast
PG04 -----> W ---2dr--> 109.2 ORTG ------> 105.1 DRTG ------> 097.1 Pace ----> Played good defense all game.............LJ 45 min; KI 00 ast
.
PG05 -----> W ---7dr--> 115.8 ORTG ------> 104.8 DRTG ------> 100.1 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 41 min; KI 10 ast
PG06 -----> W ---1dr--> 125.5 ORTG ------> 103.4 DRTG ------> 099.6 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 37 min; KI 11 ast
PG07 -----> W ---1dr--> 121.1 ORTG ------> 099.0 DRTG ------> 094.9 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 41 min; KI 04 ast
PG08 -----> W ---1dr--> 118.5 ORTG ------> 110.9 DRTG ------> 092.0 Pace ----> Tough closeout game.........................LJ 46 min; KI 09 ast
CLE first team in NBA history to start consecutive postseasons 8-0
.
PG09 -----> W ---9dr--> 127.3 ORTG ------> 113.1 DRTG ------> 091.9 Pace ----> Complete game thru 3Q.....................LJ 42 min; KI 06 ast
PG10 -----> W ---1dr--> 132.5 ORTG ------> 087.6 DRTG ------> 098.1 Pace ----> Annihilation.........................................LJ 33 min; KI 03 ast
CLE ties NBA record with 13th consecutive playoff win
PG11 -----> L ----1dr--> 120.1 ORTG ------> 123.4 DRTG ------> 089.9 Pace ----> Bad 2nd half.......................................LJ 45 min; KI 07 ast
PG12 -----> W ---1dr--> 124.0 ORTG ------> 109.6 DRTG ------> 090.3 Pace ----> Complete game..................................LJ 38 min; KI 04 ast
PG13 -----> W ---1dr--> 136.8 ORTG ------> 103.4 DRTG ------> 098.7 Pace ----> Complete game..................................LJ 35 min; KI 07 ast

 

[czvo]

134.4 to 101.5??????

 

[David.]

Every cavalier scored tonight

 

[LeShaq]

PG01 -----> W ---2dr--> 123.0 ORTG ------> 121.8 DRTG ------> 088.6 Pace ----> Shoot-out; Shumpert benched...........LJ 43 min; KI 06 ast
PG02 -----> W ---1dr--> 122.5 ORTG ------> 116.2 DRTG ------> 095.5 Pace ----> JR gets hurt. Great defense 3Q...........LJ 42 min; KI 02 ast
PG03 -----> W ---2dr--> 124.8 ORTG ------> 119.6 DRTG ------> 095.3 Pace ----> Big comeback; great def 2nd half........LJ 45 min; KI 04 ast
PG04 -----> W ---2dr--> 109.2 ORTG ------> 105.1 DRTG ------> 097.1 Pace ----> Played good defense all game.............LJ 45 min; KI 00 ast
.
PG05 -----> W ---7dr--> 115.8 ORTG ------> 104.8 DRTG ------> 100.1 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 41 min; KI 10 ast
PG06 -----> W ---1dr--> 125.5 ORTG ------> 103.4 DRTG ------> 099.6 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 37 min; KI 11 ast
PG07 -----> W ---1dr--> 121.1 ORTG ------> 099.0 DRTG ------> 094.9 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 41 min; KI 04 ast
PG08 -----> W ---1dr--> 118.5 ORTG ------> 110.9 DRTG ------> 092.0 Pace ----> Tough closeout game.........................LJ 46 min; KI 09 ast
CLE first team in NBA history to start consecutive postseasons 8-0
.
PG09 -----> W ---9dr--> 127.3 ORTG ------> 113.1 DRTG ------> 091.9 Pace ----> Complete game thru 3Q.....................LJ 42 min; KI 06 ast
PG10 -----> W ---1dr--> 132.5 ORTG ------> 087.6 DRTG ------> 098.1 Pace ----> Annihilation.........................................LJ 33 min; KI 03 ast
CLE ties NBA record with 13th consecutive playoff win
PG11 -----> L ----1dr--> 120.1 ORTG ------> 123.4 DRTG ------> 089.9 Pace ----> Bad 2nd half.......................................LJ 45 min; KI 07 ast
PG12 -----> W ---1dr--> 124.0 ORTG ------> 109.6 DRTG ------> 090.3 Pace ----> Complete game..................................LJ 38 min; KI 04 ast
PG13 -----> W ---1dr--> 136.8 ORTG ------> 103.4 DRTG ------> 098.7 Pace ----> Complete game..................................LJ 35 min; KI 07 ast
.
PG14------> L ----6dr--> 091.4 ORTG ------> 113.6 DRTG ------> 099.5 Pace ----> Offense collapses...............................LJ 40 min; KI 02 ast

 

[LeShaq]

Will do the full stats in a moment, but here's all you really need to know in the first two games.


Game 1
Love ------------> Wins match up
LeBron ----------> Loses match up
Kyrie ------------> Destroyed in match up

Game 2
Love -------------> Wins match up
LeBron -----------> Ties match up
Kyrie -------------> Destroyed in match up

 

[LeShaq]

PG01 -----> W ---2dr--> 123.0 ORTG ------> 121.8 DRTG ------> 088.6 Pace ----> Shoot-out; Shumpert benched...........LJ 43 min; KI 06 ast
PG02 -----> W ---1dr--> 122.5 ORTG ------> 116.2 DRTG ------> 095.5 Pace ----> JR gets hurt. Great defense 3Q...........LJ 42 min; KI 02 ast
PG03 -----> W ---2dr--> 124.8 ORTG ------> 119.6 DRTG ------> 095.3 Pace ----> Big comeback; great def 2nd half........LJ 45 min; KI 04 ast
PG04 -----> W ---2dr--> 109.2 ORTG ------> 105.1 DRTG ------> 097.1 Pace ----> Played good defense all game.............LJ 45 min; KI 00 ast
.
PG05 -----> W ---7dr--> 115.8 ORTG ------> 104.8 DRTG ------> 100.1 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 41 min; KI 10 ast
PG06 -----> W ---1dr--> 125.5 ORTG ------> 103.4 DRTG ------> 099.6 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 37 min; KI 11 ast
PG07 -----> W ---1dr--> 121.1 ORTG ------> 099.0 DRTG ------> 094.9 Pace ----> Complete game.................................LJ 41 min; KI 04 ast
PG08 -----> W ---1dr--> 118.5 ORTG ------> 110.9 DRTG ------> 092.0 Pace ----> Tough closeout game.........................LJ 46 min; KI 09 ast
CLE first team in NBA history to start consecutive postseasons 8-0
.
PG09 -----> W ---9dr--> 127.3 ORTG ------> 113.1 DRTG ------> 091.9 Pace ----> Complete game thru 3Q.....................LJ 42 min; KI 06 ast
PG10 -----> W ---1dr--> 132.5 ORTG ------> 087.6 DRTG ------> 098.1 Pace ----> Annihilation.........................................LJ 33 min; KI 03 ast
CLE ties NBA record with 13th consecutive playoff win
PG11 -----> L ----1dr--> 120.1 ORTG ------> 123.4 DRTG ------> 089.9 Pace ----> Bad 2nd half.......................................LJ 45 min; KI 07 ast
PG12 -----> W ---1dr--> 124.0 ORTG ------> 109.6 DRTG ------> 090.3 Pace ----> Complete game..................................LJ 38 min; KI 04 ast
PG13 -----> W ---1dr--> 136.8 ORTG ------> 103.4 DRTG ------> 098.7 Pace ----> Complete game..................................LJ 35 min; KI 07 ast
.
PG14------> L ----6dr--> 091.4 ORTG ------> 113.6 DRTG ------> 099.5 Pace ----> Offense collapses...............................LJ 40 min; KI 02 ast
PG15------> L ----2dr--> 104.6 ORTG ------> 122.2 DRTG ------> 108.0 Pace ----> Problems on both sides of ball............LJ 29 min; KI 07 ast [numbs apprx]

 

[LeShaq]

Two things we probably will need to look at following this series

- La Familia Contract Club. May be time to end the "Klutch Sports holdout/re-sign" stream. At least when you look at what Thompson and Smith have done so far this series. It's great to make Klutch look good and get guys paid, but only if they can actually get it done when needed.

- LeBron Retirement Program. Love having James Jones and the other vets on the team, but at some point you need young, live bodies. I'm not saying JJ or all the vets need to go, but it might be time to start re-evaluating the roster seriously. Certainly we need a real center (which Griff did try to get, to be fair).