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Did someone not tell him they have him on video?

No. But the sting was supposedly to get evidence of trafficking, which apparently doesn't exist. So there apparently is a case to be made that the warrants for this were improper, and the video evidence should be suppressed.

Just because you have someone on video having sex does not prove it was illegal prostitution.
 
Did someone not tell him they have him on video?

He is trying to suppress the video, saying they didn't have probable cause to access the video.

What they forgot to tell him the league doesn't care if he is found guilty or not.
 
He is trying to suppress the video, saying they didn't have probable cause to access the video.

What they forgot to tell him the league doesn't care if he is found guilty or not.

That's true. However, if the league doesn't ever get access to the video, it would be difficult for them to conclude that illegal activity occurred at all. In the cases where the league has punished someone without a conviction, there is always some extrinsic evidence the league has to conclude that something improper actually occurred.

Without either the tape or conviction, I don't think the league will punish him.
 
No. But the sting was supposedly to get evidence of trafficking, which apparently doesn't exist. So there apparently is a case to be made that the warrants for this were improper, and the video evidence should be suppressed.

Just because you have someone on video having sex does not prove it was illegal prostitution.
Sure, unless the exchanging of funds is also on tape.
 
That's true. However, if the league doesn't ever get access to the video, it would be difficult for them to conclude that illegal activity occurred at all. In the cases where the league has punished someone without a conviction, there is always some extrinsic evidence the league has to conclude that something improper actually occurred.

Without either the tape or conviction, I don't think the league will punish him.

Even if suppressed, the league will get the video. They always seem to get the video and evidence. The FBI should hire whoever the NFL uses for their investigation.
 
Even if suppressed, the league will get the video. They always seem to get the video and evidence. The FBI should hire whoever the NFL uses for their investigation.
But first, they need to hire TMZ to get the video.
 
Even if suppressed, the league will get the video. They always seem to get the video and evidence. The FBI should hire whoever the NFL uses for their investigation.

Maybe they'll get the video. But Kraft is a much more powerful, wealthy, and connected guy than was Hunt, and he's hiring lawyers who will put the fear of God into that department if the video leaks.
 
Sure, unless the exchanging of funds is also on tape.

It's a massage place -- of course you have to pay to get a massage, so the exchanging of funds likely won't prove anything unless it shows the guys paying the girls directly, rather than the front desk.
 
It's a massage place -- of course you have to pay to get a massage, so the exchanging of funds likely won't prove anything unless it shows the guys paying the girls directly, rather than the front desk.

He tipped the girl directly, the league will interview people too, it will come out to the league.
 
Really? Are you assuming that my mention of potential error on the side of law enforcement was something I just yanked out of my ass, and not something that has already been mentioned in a bunch of articles on that case?

Because if so...I'd say that's taking a rather large step of your own.

You didn't phrase it that way, so I assumed it was you making an inference. I hadn't read that.
 
He tipped the girl directly, the league will interview people too, it will come out to the league.

But the tipping and everything is allegedly on video -- they have to get either the video, or have the girl be willing to admit it to them. Again...not so sure they get that when the guy on the other side is a billionaire.

You may well be right. I'm just explaining why he's fighting it, and tossing out the possibility that he'll escape punishment. Also, the Hunt video was taken by a private entity. It was not a police video. It's much easier to get something like that from a private entity who has ownership rights, than from a police department that knows it will get sued all to hell if suppressed videos leak to the public.
 
But the tipping and everything is allegedly on video -- they have to get either the video, or have the girl be willing to admit it to them. Again...not so sure they get that when the guy on the other side is a billionaire.

You are underestimating the power of the NFL.

We will see, and remember, "Suppressing" the video doesn't mean it goes away, just means it cant be used in a court of law, but it will still be available for the court of public opinion, the league gets the video, probably directly from the FBI.
 
You are underestimating the power of the NFL.

We will see, and remember, "Suppressing" the video doesn't mean it goes away, just means it cant be used in a court of law, but it will still be available for the court of public opinion, the league gets the video, probably directly from the FBI.

If a video is obtained illegally and is suppressed by a court, then the police/prosecutors could be sued for a civil rights violation if they leaked it to third parties, and what do you think the chances are that Kraft would go after them if they did that? This is not the Hunt situation, where the video was owned by the hotel. In fact, my guess is that the league could be sued directly by Kraft himself for engaging in a conspiracy to try to obtain an illegally-made, and legally-suppressed, video.

What are the odds that the NFL is really going to want to dig into that can of worms -- trying to obtain illegally a video that was ordered suppressed by a court? And for what? To suspend one of its own owners? Hell, my guess is that the NFL would be thrilled if the video is suppressed, so it could wash its hands of the entire matter and move on. Assuming there isn't a trafficking charge against someone, it's basically a run of the mill, victimless crime whether the public pressure for a league punishment will be an order of magnitude less than in the Hunt case.

For those who really want to see Kraft get nailed, the NFL isn't the entity on which you should be pinning your hopes. The best shot you've got is a third party like TMZ obtaining the video, and then publicizing it. That way the NFL wouldn't be on the hook for potentially being sued, and yet couldn't ignore the reality of the video evidence.

Of course, that's all contingent on Krafts' lawyers successfully suppressing that video. If it isn't suppressed, then the NFL likely will end up either seeing it, or having a conviction/guilty plea, and that will be that.
 
If a video is obtained illegally and is suppressed by a court, then the police/prosecutors could be sued for a civil rights violation if they leaked it to third parties, and what do you think the chances are that Kraft would go after them if they did that? This is not the Hunt situation, where the video was owned by the hotel. In fact, my guess is that the league could be sued directly by Kraft himself for engaging in a conspiracy to try to obtain an illegally-made, and legally-suppressed, video.

What are the odds that the NFL is really going to want to dig into that can of worms -- trying to obtain illegally a video that was ordered suppressed by a court? And for what? To suspend one of its own owners? Hell, my guess is that the NFL would be thrilled if the video is suppressed, so it could wash its hands of the entire matter and move on. Assuming there isn't a trafficking charge against someone, it's basically a run of the mill, victimless crime whether the public pressure for a league punishment will be an order of magnitude less than in the Hunt case.

For those who really want to see Kraft get nailed, the NFL isn't the entity on which you should be pinning your hopes. The best shot you've got is a third party like TMZ obtaining the video, and then publicizing it. That way the NFL wouldn't be on the hook for potentially being sued, and yet couldn't ignore the reality of the video evidence.

Of course, that's all contingent on Krafts' lawyers successfully suppressing that video. If it isn't suppressed, then the NFL likely will end up either seeing it, or having a conviction/guilty plea, and that will be that.

It wasn't obtained illegally, that is a huge leap from a video being thrown out of court. They got a search warrant, they obtained it legally.

Remember to own a team in the NFL you give away allot of your civil right to them, players too. The league will have no problem getting what they need, Kraft I am sure signed something they can do this, its why they always find out.
 

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