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Potential destinations for Ramon Sessions

Discussion in 'Trades, Free Agency, & the Draft' started by Free Agency God, Jan 5, 2012.

  1. supermario21

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    It's amusing how desperately the Lakers want to hold on to both first rounders. Remember the Stephen A Smith rant about how first rounders to a contending team are meaningless (described during the Pau Gasol trade)? Well clearly this Lakers FO is different now w/o Phil's influence. I'm really thinking Sessions should be dealt to the Hawks, maybe with Jamison for Williams, Hinrich, and a 1st rounder if that's possible. The Lakers are too fixated on Dwight still.
     
  2. Czvosec

    Czvosec All-Star

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    I think they want to "hold on to them" because the Dallas pick is top-20 protected. If the playoffs started today, Dallas would be 19th, so LA wouldn't get the pick.

    If they trade their pick for Ramon, and Ramon leaves, suddenly, they traded away a pick for nothing AND don't have the Dallas pick. They're SOL.
     
  3. RonG

    RonG All for one

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    Posturing ... that is all we are seeing right now.
     
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    But if they don't think Sessions can help put them over the top this year, then why make the trade anyway? Certainly they wouldn't be looking at him as a long term starter at PG, would they?
     
  5. tsteele316

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    their point guard situation right now consists of steve blake and derrick fisher's corpse. ramon sessions probably looks like john stockton to them.

    as for the unwillingness to part with a 1st rounder, I would posit that it's a foolish stance. That pick is likely to be around #24 or so when it's all said and done. if sessions opts out and he was that good, you have bird's rights to retain him if you want him bad enough. you also aren't likely to find a rookie in that draft range that's going to give much of a contribution anyway. Dallas had a horrific start to the year. it's a fairly safe bet that they'll climb outside the top 20 when it's all said and done. they were above that point until a recent losing streak. i doubt fears that they won't get dallas's pick are holding up this deal.
     
  6. daddywags

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    Again, seems to me it's only foolish if you discount the possibility (as remote as it might seem) that they might need it as a sweetener in a Dwight Howard deal. Once that ship sails, everything changes, AFAIC.
     
  7. tsteele316

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    I think in reality that ship sailed long ago. orlando isn't going to want the lakers' garbage plus one year of bynum (assuming he stays healthy, which is highly questionable). the lakers are already whining about luxury tax, but orlando isn't shipping off howard without making the lakers take on some shit contracts with him. orlando is also pretty entrenched in the 4-5 seed area, and may end up being marginal buyers to make a last run with howard.
     
  8. Rysen

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    From what the Laker forums are saying, it appears that fans are more than willing to part with a 1st for Sessions, and possibly both 2012 1st round picks. So, after reading some of the Lakers forums (Mostly on RealGM, but a couple lesser knowns too), I thought of this:

    Lakers In: Ramon Sessions, Cavs 2012 2nd.
    Lakers Out: Dallas 2012 1st, Lakers 2012 1st, Walton.

    Cavs In: Dallas 2012 1st, Lakers 2012 1st, Walton.
    Cavs Out: Ramon Sessions, Cavs 2012 2nd.

    Or just an easy Sessions for Dallas 1st, which the Lakers already reportedly turned down.

    If neither of the above scenarios can be done, then:

    Atlants gets: Sessions + Jamison + Cavs 2012 2nd

    Cavs get: Hinrich + Williams + Atl unprotected 2012 1st


    If the Cavs are able to send Sessions to the Lakers for the Dallas pick, then:

    Atlanta gets: Antawn Jamison

    Cavs get: Hinrich + Williams.
     
  9. EdgarJones

    EdgarJones Towel Waver

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    Cavs get: Kobe and Lakers 2 first rounders
    Lakers get: Sessions

    Cavs get: Williams and Hawks 2012 first unprotected
    Hawks get: Harangoody and Hollins

    Cavs get: Barniani and Toronto's 2012 first
    Toronto gets: Sacramento's protected 2012 first

    Yea. Yea, these will all work.

    Cavs get: Dwight Howard
    Masgic get: A sack full of chips from Dan Gilberts new casino.:rolleyes:
     
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  10. GonzoRatso88

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    I posted this in the "Building the right way forum" but Windy is on WKNR right now. He said he believes Sessions will be moved by the deadline. Also, he said action has picked up on Jamison and the Cavs feel better about trading him now than they did a couples months ago. I will have a full recap later this afternoon.
     
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    I don't want Luke Walton. Try again..
     
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    Well if Windhorst believes a trade will happen then I guess Ramon is staying..
     
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    Lol, I was thinking the same thing. Windy always says this a few weeks before a dud of a deadline.
     
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    Here is part of an article that I read a little bit ago. I wont add a link (unless you really want it) because most people here don't like the site. But, I'm quoting part of the article because what it says... not who said it, or what site they write for.

    The article talks about the Lakers having a lot of interest in two PGs (Sessions, and Felton), and it goes on to make a pretty solid case for Sessions (although 7m is too much imho for session - the writer says 5-7m)

    The deal being referred to is assumed to be the offer the Cavs made to trade Sessions for the Dallas 1st - although I didn't actually see that deal mentioned, I assume it is the one referenced, as there is no other public offer that has been confirmed.
     
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    Erbium Get your *** to Mars

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    I thought we could do something like this:

    Lakers in: Ramon Sessions, Anthony Parker, Cavs 2nd Rounder (remember we would still have NO 2nd Rounder)
    Cavs In: Darius Morris, Luke Walton's contract, and both 1st rounders (of course DAL 1st is top 20 protected til 2018)

    Why Parker? Kobe is averaging 38 mins per game...they have to be worried they are wearing him down. Getting a player like Parker (they have no other SG on the roster) should help them reduce his minutes under the 35 min mark. This also leaves the Lakers their entire TPE to make additional moves.

    Then, if you could potentially follow this trade up with Jamison to ATL (possibly throwing in NO 2nd to pry away their 1st), we actually don't kill our chance at chasing the 8th seed if we so desire, all the while giving ourselves a lot of assets to try and trade up in next yrs draft. (up to 3 additional 1sts this yr)
     
  17. MRMsix6

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    Why would the Cavs take on Luke Walton's horrible contract to move up ~10 spots in the draft? I don't see Parker being traded either. (I'm ignoring Darius Morris because .)
     
  18. mcfly

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    Why would the Cavs not spend $6.1 million to move up ~10 spots in the draft?
     
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  19. MRMsix6

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    Because despite Dan Gilbert's willingness to spend, this is not monopoly money?

    Was that a serious question?
     
  20. ericerau

    ericerau Situational Stopper

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    How could the Cavs possibly feel bad about trading Jamison? Maybe I'll have to read between the lines....

    So two months ago the front office actually thought this team had a chance of making the 8th seed. Now they realize they have the same team as last year plus one great rookie and one project rookie. Other than that, seems like trading Jamison wouldn't require much thought.
     

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