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RonHarperFan said:
This was our shot. I'm very dissapointed.
Everyone not named LeBron played like crap.

I can't believe they didn't have an answer for Dwight, or at least foul him.

This better be the end of the line for Mike Brown.
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I strongly disagree, delonte played his heart out for us
 
Yo im not guna come on here and lie to you die hards, but i became a Cavs fan ever since game 5 of the Pistons series (greatest playoff game in history) and ever since then LBJ and the Cavaliers have been the focal point of my NBA experience.
Now, i would also like to take the time to say a few things that will hopefully help ease a lil pain and help deal with the loss to the Magic in game 6. First of all, you people that live in Cleveland should be dam proud of this 25 year old young man, he has taken a city that is in desperate need of an economic boost in every which way possible and single handedly make you all proud to be a part of the entire mess....Lebron James makes dirty old Cleveland easy to deal with! I should know because the few times i visited, i had nothing but the worse things to say about the city and its landscapes...its such an eyesore. I live in Hawaii, and even though i had a bad visual experience with your city, i still want to move there just to support this young mans career and to be there when "it" finally happens! ...us outsiders know that its only a matter of time before the Cavs win a championship, we can see that! you guys should be proud to have a team so great to stand behind and support! remember tough times builds character and to taste the sweetness of victory you have to first taste the bitterness of defeat and this defeat will only make success that much better when it comes around. The city of Cleveland has not lost anything, you guys are winners and in the eyes of the world around you, who help support your teams from afar, we will continue to see it that way until dreams become a reality! LEBRON JAMES WILL WIN YOU A CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!
nobody says its going to be easy, you need the dark clouds to appreciate those bright sunny days....i would like to say thank you Cleveland Cavaliers...thank you all the way from Hawaii:)
 
I hate to say it, but that Wally/Ben for Shaq trade that we passed up at the deadline? Yeah ... Shaq may not have Howard's quickness, but he could definitely get him in foul trouble, and he's certainly strong enough to hold his own against Superman. Getting him have been worth the "team chemistry" risk, IMHO.
 
Ajak, that has been sigged. Epic, my friend, epic.
 
Ok, i need yall to critique my rendition of the ideal Cavs team needed to win a Championship.
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starting
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pg - mo williams
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sg - raja bell
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sf - lebron james
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pf - anderson verajao
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c - tyson chandler
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bench
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pg - daniel gibson
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sg - delonte west
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sf - matt barnes
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pf - antonio mcdyess
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c - zydrunas ilgauskas
 
Consider this: You have the NBA MVP down 3 games to 2. You lose, you go home. Bron has been known to step his game up in moments such as these.
So what do you expect to see? You'd expect to see Lebron driving to the hoop constantly. You'd expect to see Bron drawing fouls from Dwight, Glu, Lewis, etc...You'd expect to see Mike Brown run the NAIL offensive set for a decent stretch. You'd expect to see everyone leaving their all on the floor.
So what did we see? We saw LeBron being more passive than I've ever seen him in my life. Was he gassed? Maybe. Who knows. We rarely saw anyone drive the ball to the cup (less DWest, who was fantastic). You saw the NAIL offensive set run ONCE in the entire first half. I know we got down in the 2nd quarter, but when you're down 5, why not try to run it? I saw a bunch of passive players who didn't know what to do.

I can't blame LeBron for much. Without him, we're out in the first round. He had an amazing season and an even more amazing playoff run. I just don't understand why he didn't drive to the cup more.

From a pure basketball stand point, this game was very weird. MAde no sense at all. We played like we were timid, scared children going against a deity.
 
Damage said:
From a pure basketball stand point, this game was very weird. MAde no sense at all. We played like we were timid, scared children going against a deity.
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This is a great point...they just had no adverstiy this year really. We could have benefited from a harder road I think. Plus went you get a 16, 22, and 23 point leads and have to fight to win 2 and lose one of those....I think that really drained them emotionally.
 
Cleveland fans you guys were talking about going undefeated
how your team was the best blah blah...A)you guys beat a old detroit team with no A.I and
injuries to core players B) you beat a Atlanta team that also had most of their team with key injuries plus they are young. If Cavs fans said we did a great job but Orlando beat us 2-1 in the season, is gonna be tough.(HUMBLE PIE ATTITUDE) BUT NO!!!
MO "I AM LUCKY TO BE A ALL-STAR" WILLIAMS GUARANTEED !!! TO WIN PLEASE!!!!
CAVS prove to NBA that CLEVELAND IS A GREAT REGULAR SEASON TEAM NOT A "PLAYOFF TEAM" LEBRON IS BAD LOOSER he did not even give DAP to Howard he @ least should have done that I have more respect for CARMELO AN KOBE after THE THUGGETS got thrashed
MELO gave props to KOBE @ LEAST BE HUMBLE PEOPLE YOUR TEAM LOST IN 6 GAMES
The DEPLETED CELTICS @ least took Orlando to SEVEN GAMES. Here is more SALT for the wounds Lebron & CO just can't say ORLANDO is better than US their PR person had to say it.
PEACE and be HUMBLE!!!!!
 
lbjisnokobe said:
Cleveland fans you guys were talking about going undefeated
how your team was the best blah blah...A)you guys beat a old detroit team with no A.I and
injuries to core players B) you beat a Atlanta team that also had most of their team with key injuries plus they are young. If Cavs fans said we did a great job but Orlando beat us 2-1 in the season, is gonna be tough.(HUMBLE PIE ATTITUDE) BUT NO!!!
MO "I AM LUCKY TO BE A ALL-STAR" WILLIAMS GUARANTEED !!! TO WIN PLEASE!!!!
CAVS prove to NBA that CLEVELAND IS A GREAT REGULAR SEASON TEAM NOT A "PLAYOFF TEAM" LEBRON IS BAD LOOSER he did not even give DAP to Howard he @ least should have done that I have more respect for CARMELO AN KOBE after THE THUGGETS got thrashed
MELO gave props to KOBE @ LEAST BE HUMBLE PEOPLE YOUR TEAM LOST IN 6 GAMES
The DEPLETED CELTICS @ least took Orlando to SEVEN GAMES. Here is more SALT for the wounds Lebron & CO just can't say ORLANDO is better than US their PR person had to say it.
PEACE and be HUMBLE!!!!!
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This may be a rant thread, but that doesn't mean you can come in here and spew your shit you stupid f*cking troll.
 
Qaatar said:
I'm neutral to the rest of your post, as this is a rant thread...but Avery Johnson? LOL...the same guy who was fired for possessing precisely the same deficiencies as Mike Brown? You know...both of them came from Popovich's system. It has become obvious that while Popovich himself is brilliant, his understudies obviously are not.
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IMO, Johnson was used as a scapegoat for Cuban's incompetence. Not only does Mark Cuban have a love affair with a so called "leader" that shrinks every time he faces adversity, Cuban made a horrible move in trading away a 24 year old, All-Star point guard for an aging, stop-gap measure HOF'er. Expecting Avery Johnson to work magic with the likes of Dirk (how can you be so big and such a baby?), Josh Howard (Mr. "Oh, these are the playoffs?" himself) and a newly added Jason Kidd who was just learning the offense, was suicide in the first place. Aside from Jason Terry, did he have a single consistent player to work with in 07-08? What happened to Avery was a ****ing farce and in my opinion a travesty of the game.

Johnson couldn't force Nowitzki to grow a backbone, or force him or Howard to show up more than once a month. He couldn't shove the offense down Kidd's throat. He couldn't make Dampier quicker or Stackhouse younger or Dirk stronger. Dallas had been on the decline all season in 07-08, not because of a poor coach, but because the team had run its course. It's amazing how guys like Saunders and Johnson get fired just because the GM or owner doesn't want to face facts about the age/talent/consistency/value of their team.

IMO, AJ did not have the same traits as Mike Brown. Johnson could actually organize and run an offense, and a damn good one at that. He made adjustments, both to his rotations and to his strategy, on both ends of the floor. He was able to show his players how to play, not just where to be. Being a top notch player himself, he could teach from experience rather than just saying "well, here's what Pop told me to do, since I never actually played." Johnson was stubborn, I'll give you that. But I have to say, if we have Johnson instead of Brown in this last Orlando series, he's going to give the team a fighting chance, not force them to fight against him.
 
JaYp146 said:
I hate to say it, but that Wally/Ben for Shaq trade that we passed up at the deadline? Yeah ... Shaq may not have Howard's quickness, but he could definitely get him in foul trouble, and he's certainly strong enough to hold his own against Superman. Getting him have been worth the "team chemistry" risk, IMHO.
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And just imagine with the Chinese investors deal going through, I'm sure that lessened the load of Shaq's contract.

I don't give a shit if Shaq makes fun of every single person in Cleveland and doesn't play back to back games. I don't care if LeBron hates him, hell he passed the ball to Drew fu(king Gooden, he'll pass the ball to anyone.

It's a results-oriented business and our executive decided to apply a coat of "chemistry", our coach decided to apply a coat of "stay the course" dumbass-substitutions and lack of offense, and our players decided to put a coat of "fail" on this turd.

But surely now that we've "learned our lesson" we can move forward, right? The lessons we should have learned included that Mike Brown is a stubborn coach that doesn't apply pressure to his superstar, doesn't make correct adjustments, and doesn't have a creative offense. If he was on a losing team he'd be long gone.

Another lesson is that talent > chemistry. If Amare, Bosh, Shaq, ....FU(KING ANYONE! was a pipe dream during trade deadline, what are they now? No chance, that's what.

"But Powerslave, how could you blame Ferry - you don't know the details of what happened! waahh". We all knew as much as we needed to know. Wine and Gold, while being an optimist, gave us a fair evaluation during trade deadline that instilled hope into this forum. Is it his fault? No. I'm sure the coaching staff and other Cavs insiders were just as stoked at the prospect of an expiring contract and many trades to ponder. My bitch is that Ferry didn't try hard enough: every trade we heard it was a "our offer is ___. no? okay talk to you 1 min before trade deadline time". If we were dealing with all-stars or even the right player (Camby), Ferry should have offered Wally, Gibson, picks, money, and even AV if it was for the now "no chance in hell" players. Hell, literally everyone but Bron, Mo, Delonte, should have been up in discussion. Instead he straight up pussied out.

I swear it seems like key figureheads in the Cavs organization are scared of making a move, doing the wrong thing, getting LeBron upset. We're treating him like the messiah who's never wrong instead of giving him great pieces to work with and coaching him to elevate his game to a higher level.

I think what's one of the most frustrating is that it's the same...fu(king..thing year after year. My buddy just got home from vacation and he's a casual NBA fan.

Him: "Hey man how's your team and all?"
Me: "We're out"
Him: "Why?"
Me: "Bron couldn't do it himself"
Him:"WTF? Isn't that what happened last year?"
Me: "And the year before..."

For fu*k's sakes. I hate this story. The "Cavs are a 1 man team" storyline being played over and over again. LeBron was the best player he has been in his career this season and it is all wasted.

I'm not going to bitch in any other thread and will support this team but if we come into 2009-2010 season with a similar team I'm not watching as many regular season games. Why? Am I less of a fan for doing so? I don't give a shit what you think. Fact of the matter is, I don't want to see the same mistakes happen over and over. What's stopping Cavs fans from watching the new season and thinking how much help LeBron will get come Playoff time? I'll probably be seen as a casual fan and check stats like who on the bench is averaging how many points, what's the Cavs record against elite teams, is MB still coaching there? I think we've hit the MB ceiling, we're not going higher.
Instead, I'll be watching new and evolving teams: teams with intelligent coaches and executives willing to take a risk, teams getting better every single season, teams aching for a championship and DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

I'm looking forward to Wine and Gold's next offseason post to see where we go from here. Now I am a self-proclaimed pessimist, but there's no way I'm alone in thinking this: the future looks bleak.
 
I was very disappointed we didn't get anything for Wally at the deadline.. Not because we didn't get another talent. I was pissed as it gave Coach Brown the opportunity to play Wally down the stretch. Epic fail.
 
Powerslave said:
I think what's one of the most frustrating is that it's the same...fu(king..thing year after year. My buddy just got home from vacation and he's a casual NBA fan.

Him: "Hey man how's your team and all?"
Me: "We're out"
Him: "Why?"
Me: "Bron couldn't do it himself"
Him:"WTF? Isn't that what happened last year?"
Me: "And the year before..."

For fu*k's sakes. I hate this story. The "Cavs are a 1 man team" storyline being played over and over again. LeBron was the best player he has been in his career this season and it is all wasted.
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I feel you bro. My best buddy only watches nfl, and a casual nba fan......and always know Lebron as a great player, but the Cavs as a one man team....he only watches the playoffs usually. This year, i finally got him interested in the Cavs as i told him about the 66 win season, (tho personally i still think the cavs is a one man team, abeit a greatest one man show i have ever witnessed)...

We live in Hong Kong, so the game 6 was actually on a sunday morning.

He actually rooted for the cavs this series, but then the cable network over at his place only shows the western conf finals. So, he actually came up to me and asked to see if we want to watch it together. He came to my place 8 in the morning and watch with me and my wife.

Boy....I could never forget those expressions from his face throughout the game. He is a polite and reserved person.....he knows I am a big cavs fan, so he probably was trying to hide a lot disgust....but man, his face worths a thousand words.

He is like saying; "this team won 66 game?? it looks real bad..."
 
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