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I actually have no interest in arguing with Gouri mostly because I don't have the time or energy in my daily life to devote to literally Bible-length posts about stupid shit, not because he's right all the time. Enjoying Q Tip vs Gouri though.

Like honestly I'd probably take one look at one of these posts and without even reading it, just go, "Okay, whatever," and walk away. Just isn't worth it. Nobody on the Internet has ever admitted they were wrong. And in this case, it all comes down to opinion anyways.
 
I actually have no interest in arguing with Gouri mostly because I don't have the time or energy in my daily life to devote to literally Bible-length posts about stupid shit, not because he's right all the time. Enjoying Q Tip vs Gouri though.

Like honestly I'd probably take one look at one of these posts and without even reading it, just go, "Okay, whatever," and walk away. Just isn't worth it. Nobody on the Internet has ever admitted they were wrong. And in this case, it all comes down to opinion anyways.

And whenever Gouri throws out one of his "Dafuq you talking about..." you know you are fucked. Throw in the towel, give him your clothes, you lose.
 
I admit I'm wrong on the internet all the time. I go out of my way to BE wrong, so that I can later regroup and admit my mistakes.

I get off on it.


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And whenever Gouri throws out one of his "Dafuq you talking about..." you know you are fucked. Throw in the towel, give him your clothes, you lose.

Pretty much missed the point of what I was saying, but yeah, definitely, sure! :chuckles:
 
I actually have no interest in arguing with Gouri mostly because I don't have the time or energy in my daily life to devote to literally Bible-length posts about stupid shit, not because he's right all the time. Enjoying Q Tip vs Gouri though.

Like honestly I'd probably take one look at one of these posts and without even reading it, just go, "Okay, whatever," and walk away. Just isn't worth it. Nobody on the Internet has ever admitted they were wrong. And in this case, it all comes down to opinion anyways.

Well Chris, there is something to be said about having 1 long post or many short posts. You are on one-side of the spectrum, I am on the other I think. We've been posting the same amount of time but I think you have something like 4x as many posts as me? :chuckles:

Six in one hand, half-a-dozen in the other bro...
 
Again, you said they got the characters right.. but they didn't. Kirk was never described as having been a petulant bastard the way he is in the reboot. Spock would rather die than act so foolish, and Sarek would never say he "loved" his wife. Bones was good, but Scotty was turned into a joke, a running gag. That wasn't his character in the slightest. Also, Pike and Kirk's relationship wasn't accurate at all.

This Kirk shouldn't be the same as the Kirk you remember. This Kirk didn't have his father to raise him like the original did. This Kirk is also YOUNGER then the Kirk you were exposed to. Of course, he isn't quite the same. Plus, he hasn't had the experiences that will help lead to him becoming the Kirk that you know. At least, to whatever extent this Kirk will be like tv series Kirk.

As for Pike, their relationship would be different because the circumstances of it are different. You can't expect everything to be the same when things have changed from the first time around. You have to expect differences.


TOS' best episodes were entirely centered around deep moral issues. Also Kirk was a man, a man's man, not some punkass kid. Pine's character to me does not make me say "this guy is tough, don't fuck with Kirk!" I look at him and say "I could take this fucking guy, c'mon... get him off the screen already."

I wish they had cast someone a bit older and more capable of the role.. but whatever.

Again, before anybody says "uhhh... he doesn't like it cuz it's not like the show," tl;dr, I'm just arguing Star Trek with Q-Tip.. disregard this post if that's all you've gathered.

We are introduced to Kirk from his academy days in the movie. Not, from the days when he was the star ship captain of the Enterprise. This Kirk was younger then the tv series Kirk. He shouldn't be played by an older actor. Also, he's not a man's man yet. He's in the process of growing into one.
 
Well Chris, there is something to be said about having 1 long post or many short posts. You are on one-side of the spectrum, I am on the other I think. We've been posting the same amount of time but I think you have something like 4x as many posts as me? :chuckles:

Six in one hand, half-a-dozen in the other bro...

I used to post way more. Haven't crunched the numbers, but I'd wager that's where my post count came from. Whoring game threads back in the day. Of course, when you make a 10,000 word post about Star Trek chances are much lower that someone will read it, than making a 100 word post about it. Really, my point had nothing to do with clogging of the forum or anything of that sort. My point was I don't neglect to debate with you because you're "right all the time," I don't engage in doing so because it just isn't worth the time or effort to quote each individual sentence the way you do and counter it. Plus, I gave up debating on the Internet a long time ago, for the most part. Like I said, nobody ever admits if they are wrong, and most shit is just opinion anyways (such as, the quality or enjoyment factor of a film).

It has nothing to do with whether or not I enjoy your posts. I do enjoy them. Not going to expend effort on massive quote wars though. :chuckles:
 
This Kirk shouldn't be the same as the Kirk you remember. This Kirk didn't have his father to raise him like the original did. This Kirk is also YOUNGER then the Kirk you were exposed to. Of course, he isn't quite the same. Plus, he hasn't had the experiences that will help lead to him becoming the Kirk that you know. At least, to whatever extent this Kirk will be like tv series Kirk.

As for Pike, their relationship would be different because the circumstances of it are different. You can't expect everything to be the same when things have changed from the first time around. You have to expect differences.




We are introduced to Kirk from his academy days in the movie. Not, from the days when he was the star ship captain of the Enterprise. This Kirk was younger then the tv series Kirk. He shouldn't be played by an older actor. Also, he's not a man's man yet. He's in the process of growing into one.

Great points, Scholar.. That makes a great deal of sense. My only quip would be that I wouldn't have minded if they simply portrayed young Kirk different, or simply ditched the whole Academy storyline and introduce us to him when he got the Enteprise.

I can think of a few good movies where this transition works really well including "The Bounty," "Mutiny on the Bounty," and "Crimson Tide."
 
Well Chris, there is something to be said about having 1 long post or many short posts. You are on one-side of the spectrum, I am on the other I think. We've been posting the same amount of time but I think you have something like 4x as many posts as me? :chuckles:

Six in one hand, half-a-dozen in the other bro...

You post many long posts.

Also, gouri, anyone who posts as many essays on Star Trek as you have the past few days should feel obliged to forego sex for at least a week. I'd say Q-Tip should join you, but that's probably not going to be a problem. :chuckles:
 
You post many long posts.

Also, gouri, anyone who posts as many essays on Star Trek as you have the past few days should feel obliged to forego sex for at least a week. I'd say Q-Tip should join you, but that's probably not going to be a problem. :chuckles:

It's funny.. I do not broadcast my Trek knowledge/fandom to chicks.. I've only known my wife for 2.5 years, we just had our first wedding anniversary. It wasn't until literally the day after our vacation ended (like two days after LBJ came home) that I fired up Hulu and said "fuck it... you should know, I like Star Trek."

Before that very moment, I never really talked about it at all.... It was almost like trying to tell her I contracted an STD from "somewhere, I dunno, maybe a toilet seat.." She kinda looked at me like "really?" It was interesting to say the least...

I tried introducing her to Star Wars, but she hated the originals (doesn't like anything "old")... So I knew ST would be an impossible venture.
 
It's funny.. I do not broadcast my Trek knowledge/fandom to chicks.. I've only known my wife for 2.5 years, we just had our first wedding anniversary. It wasn't until literally the day after our vacation ended (like two days after LBJ came home) that I fired up Hulu and said "fuck it... you should know, I like Star Trek."

There aren't all that many good things about getting old, but one of them is that the nostalgia factor makes liking some things more acceptable. Though I still don't like The Police. Anyway, my wife actually likes the original Star Trek, and we both liked the movies. My brother is a bit older than I am, and I know he also watched TNG, but he's a huge fan of the original series and really liked the reboots.

But I think liking the reboots is more likely if you are more of a fan of the original series as opposed to a fan of the entire franchise, simply because of the lore and other reasons you mentioned. For me, the thrill of seeing those same original series characters at a younger, more "raw" state was...fascinating, and a real joy. It really kind of trumped everything else. Scholar's post really encapsulated this for me, because even though the movie Kirk wasn't the series Kirk, I thought the essence of the character was close enough that you could see him maturing into that Kirk. He was Kirk without being William Shatner, and I really think that was extraordinarily difficult to pull off.

The one moment when he did seem to do a Shatner impression was at the end of the movie when he sat in the Captain's chair and said "Bones....", with the exact same intonation Shatner had used. Perfectly timed and placed in the movie, and gave me a pretty big grin. That's really it for me. Seeing those characters again as younger people, with the slight differences you'd see in any reboot, was really such a joy that I could quite easily overlook other flaws and still get a big kick out of the movie. Karl Urban in particular was great as McCoy (he looked like he had a lot of fun doing that), and as much as I didn't like the Spock/Uhura romance, I thought they still nailed the core relationship of Kirk/Spock/McCoy.

By the way, on the Spock thing, I remember the movie began with Spock turning down an appointment to the Vulcan science academy. But wasn't there also some kind of "complete emotion stripping" process that he was supposed to undergo as well? I don't recall that ever happening. I suppose -- and this would be a bit of stretch but doable -- they could say that in the real history, Spock subsequently returned and did undergo that, so the only Spock we ever saw in the original show had very few emotions. However, because of the destruction of Vulcan, this Spock never will undergo that complete emotional wiping thingy.

Don't really like that, because I think a too-emotional Spock -- especially one in an ongoing romantic relationship -- detracts too much from his core character.
 
Vulcans undergo the process of stripping away their emotions in puberty, almost like a bar mitzvah. But by that time, they are supposed to be very much along the way to having almost no emotion at all.

The way they portrayed Spock, it was as if he was faking being a Vulcan and was in fact a Romulan. I mean, nothing he did seemed Vulcan like. He got angry all the time, he apparently loved Uhura, or at least fucking her, he desperately wanted love from his father, and he was pleased when his father told him that he loved his mother.

He couldn't have been more non-Spock than that. They destroyed Spock's character. He was never antagonistic to Kirk in the show, and I wish they had kept things the way they were. I just.. can't stand his character.

They spend so much time fighting each other that I question their maturity; particularly Spock who should be above all of that.

Eh.. I dunno, I just can't tolerate Kirk (annoyingly immature), Spock (an asshole), Uhura (over-sexualized), or Scotty (comic relief).. which is basically the whole crew.
 

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