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What's wrong with a love story? Sure, I rather gouge my eyes out than watch movies like The Notebook, PS I Love You, etc, etc, but those are usually so cliche, that they're basically all the same.

If the story aspect is good, unique, riveting, with captivating characters that's not overly sappy, no shame in watching it.

I can proudly say I've watched a few movies centered around the theme of love, and they're among my all-time favorites.

28 year old "man" :chuckles: and I am man enough to admit 'How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days' is a pretty damn good movie.
 
I just can't recall seeing a love story that wasn't incredibly cliche and female focused. I think the problem is that when I watch movies, love just isn't the theme I'm looking for. I don't really gain anything from seeing it displayed on the screen.

I enjoy love in real life. I can say I've genuinely loved two women and cared deeply about them. And as it goes with my wife, I love her as deeply and meaningfully as any character could that I've seen in a movie. But when I watch a movie, I'm not looking for the feeling that I get when I think of my wife or my high school girlfriend.

I'm looking for the feeling that I get when I watch power struggles, vengeance, justice, flawed protagonists, fear and meaningless/absurd comedy. Those elements usually don't make for a great love story.

For those reasons, some of my favorite movies (not claiming all are GOAT, just my own favorites) are Godfather I and II, Clockwork Orange, The Shining, Saving Private Ryan, Pulp Fiction, Braveheart, Scent of a Woman, No Country for Old Men, Heat, Full Metal Jacket, Gladiator, Cape Fear, 300, American Beauty, American History X, There Will Be Blood, Silence of the Lambs, The Conjuring, The Ring and Seven.

Out of all of those movies, except Forrest Gump, the only movies that feature a love story feature them as ancillary elements. William Wallace and Maximus are avenging the deaths of their women who die early in the movie. The women aren't big players in their movies except for flashbacks.

The characters in most of those movies are too flawed and self-centered to have a true love story developed around them and their flawed and selfish nature is what makes the characters more compelling to me. Their selfishness and focus on goals before anything else drive the plot. A love story would have weakened Pacino and Deniro's characters in Heat, for example. What made them great was that they COULDN'T be loved. Same goes for Derek Vineyard in American History X, Daniel Plainview in There Will be Blood, Lewellyn in No Country and Michael Corleone in Godfather. There are people who love them and love occurs in the movies, but if those characters truly loved a woman and were willing to make sacrifices and major positive changes for them...there'd have been no plot.

As a general rule I just feel that when love is introduced to movies, it ends up weakening the male characters and damaging the conflict in the movie. It's not to say that love can't strengthen the characters when it's a major theme of the movie. It's certainly possible, as it was done very successfully in Forrest Gump and briefly in Gladiator and Braveheart.

It's completely subjective. I COULD watch a love story and recognize that it's a good movie. But I just wouldn't want to watch it. Doesn't do anything for me.

Now oddly enough, music with heavy love themes I enjoy quite a bit. In fact, it's my favorite theme in songs.
 
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So, what it boils down to, is jigo is just looking for some good dude on dude action.
 
And for me to enjoy the love element, I need to be able to be able to find the female character "lovable" for lack of a better word. Not lovable to everyone else, lovable to me. Please don't anyone spoil this show for me because I'm only in season 3, but Game of Thrones has several female characters that I could tolerate a love story from because I could see myself being in love with characters like them. That show does an awesome job of developing strong, beautiful/hot female characters that I could handle a love story out of. Ygritte, Daenerys and Tyrion's wife are the types of personalities/looks that I could personally fall in love with. Robb Stark's woman too, but she's not very developed at this point so it's hard to say much about her personality. Cersei is extraordinarily fuckable, but I feel like a love story with her would end horribly.

If women in movies seem particularly weak or depressing or just overall...not strong...I get irritated with them. I like when the female characters are strong themselves and drive the action of the movie forward.

For some reason, there's more female characters on television that I'm attracted to than in movies. And that goes for both physically and from a personality standpoint.

There's a million women on TV and in movies that I'd fuck, but there's only a handful I've seen that I'd enjoy in a love story.
 
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Some of you are obviously on your monthly cycles.

Damn, Jigo. I did gloss over your post, but didn't read the whole thing. I'll say that I enjoy Love Actually around the holidays. The movie is "cute". But if we're talking Valentine's Day or The Notebook (which I've never seen and don't plan to), I can't stomach when it's overly cheesy. I like violence, I like drama, I like action. I don't like it when the movie throws in the love interest, just for the fact that the lead needs a love interest. There are movies that smoothly achieve this, and I'm ok with it.

When I watched Rocky-- I liked the fighting/training, but the aspect of Adrian was cute to begin with, but then it got to be too much (my humble opinion). I just wanted him to kick ass.

As for Jenny in Forrest Gump-- I understood him loving her, and her adoration for him, but I just didn't like that it took her forever to seem to only marry him out of obligation and not a genuine love. Again, that's just how I look at it. It could be a warped opinion, but that's what I got. I can say that I've only truly and genuinely loved one guy in my life, so maybe my opinion is probably not going to be that popular.


Give me something subtle (love story), I don't need it to be the main focus on a film, because like you Jigs, I probably won't be interested.


Can we get back to the horror movie discussion?
 
Please don't anyone spoil this show for me because I'm only in season 3, but Game of Thrones has several female characters that I could tolerate a love story from because I could see myself being in love with characters like them. That show does an awesome job of developing strong, beautiful/hot female characters that I could handle a love story out of. Ygritte, Daenerys and Tyrion's wife are the types of personalities/looks that I could personally fall in love with.

This must be Jigo's wife...That should be on the cover of O magazine.




Oh, and everyone dies.
 
Some of you are obviously on your monthly cycles.

Damn, Jigo. I did gloss over your post, but didn't read the whole thing. I'll say that I enjoy Love Actually around the holidays. The movie is "cute". But if we're talking Valentine's Day or The Notebook (which I've never seen and don't plan to), I can't stomach when it's overly cheesy. I like violence, I like drama, I like action. I don't like it when the movie throws in the love interest, just for the fact that the lead needs a love interest. There are movies that smoothly achieve this, and I'm ok with it.

When I watched Rocky-- I liked the fighting/training, but the aspect of Adrian was cute to begin with, but then it got to be too much (my humble opinion). I just wanted him to kick ass.

As for Jenny in Forrest Gump-- I understood him loving her, and her adoration for him, but I just didn't like that it took her forever to seem to only marry him out of obligation and not a genuine love. Again, that's just how I look at it. It could be a warped opinion, but that's what I got. I can say that I've only truly and genuinely loved one guy in my life, so maybe my opinion is probably not going to be that popular.


Give me something subtle (love story), I don't need it to be the main focus on a film, because like you Jigs, I probably won't be interested.


Can we get back to the horror movie discussion?

This is pretty much exactly how I feel with those movies, particularly as relates to Jenny. She needed to be in the movie because she provided the drive for him to do what he was doing and she gave him Little Forrest. But as a person...she was human garbage.

I couldn't be in love with Jenny, so why would I want to watch someone else be in love with her? Waste of time.

It's like all these movies with Reese Witherspoon, Kate Hudson and Drew Barrymore. All three of them annoy the piss out of me and if I met characters like theirs in real life, I'd walk immediately out of the conversation as soon as it became clear they weren't gonna fuck me (probably pretty quick :chuckles:).

I feel like if I met most of Connie Britton's, Natalie Portman's or Kristen Wiig's (fuck you guys, she's hot) characters in real life, I'd want to hang around a while.
 
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I don't know what this means. But if you spoil this shit, I will find you and I will kill you.

YOU FUCK!!!

It means how you are explaining the women in Game of Thrones. It sounds like you co-wrote The Notebook or Mamma Mia.

And if you don't think more people die, you are as dumb as b00b. I just didn't tell you who :rolleyes:
 
It means how you are explaining the women in Game of Thrones. It sounds like you co-wrote The Notebook or Mamma Mia.

No, it doesn't. The women in those stories and that write for O are in love with the idea of being in love. I hate that shit and it's what leads to nonsense in movies and in real life. And it leads to weak, easily conquerable women.

The women I enjoy in movies and in real life are in love with ONE man and have aspirations beyond the men they're in love with. It gives them depth of character and the ability to sustain a plot line without the male character in the shot constantly.

Women empowerment is bullshit. Powerful women are awesome.
 
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Okay, back to horror...

I haven't seen it since I was a kid but I remember it scared the shit out of me. I am going to have to re-watch it b/c I completely forget it.

Phantasm.

Anyone else remember this movie? I remember I was scared, probably, literally shitless, from the old tall dude.
 
Chung King Express was an incredible love story (multiple, actually). One of my favorite films of all time.
 
Nicky, Jigo... re: Forrest Gump;

The love that Jenny had for Forrest was not romantic or any form of adoration at all; but instead a familial love. She loved him as a brother, as a best friend, as a soul mate but not in the sense of a lover.

The reason she married him was because she knew he was the best man she'd ever know, and that he encompassed all the true qualities in a man that she would ever want. It wasn't that she felt obligation, but that she wanted a complete life and it was right there in front of her. The love that Jenny had for Forrest is pure, she simply chose to express it differently at different times. Lots of women come to the same conclusion that Jenny does as their lives progress and they settle down...

They don't marry the guy of their dreams, they marry the man they love. Forrest was probably the only man she ever truly loved, familial or otherwise.
 

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