Farewell, Richard Jefferson.

[cavsfever]

Cross posting this on Jefferson's offensive stats from the Delly thread. The TL/DR summary is that Jefferson's shooting stats were actually fantastic last year. If they weren't a fluke and he can repeat them he might become our best offensive player off the bench

Since it's the Jefferson thread I'll replace the comparison to Delly with one to Mo Williams, who you would think of as our best offensive bench player

Wide Open (closest opponent 6+ feet) -- Williams 54.3 eFG%, Jefferson 77.5 eFG%

Open (closest opponent 4-6 feet) -- Williams 50.3 eFG%, Jefferson 61.5 eFG%

Tight (closest opponent 2-4 feet) -- Williams 45.3 eFG%, Jefferson 46.2 eFG%

Very tight (closest opponent 0-2 feet) -- Williams 29.1, Jefferson 30.2 eFG% -- no one shoots well guarded like this

A lot of these differences come because Mo just doesn't seem to be a very good 3 point shooter compared to Jefferson, which is immediately obvious from their summary stat lines. Jefferson is a MUCH better catch and shoot player than Mo. But Mo can break down the defense dribbling in a way that Jefferson can't (Jefferson doesn't shoot off the dribble that much or that well). Mo and Jefferson on the floor together could be deadly offensively, if Mo learns how to find him and Jefferson can move some off the ball.

[EDiTED TO MAKE CLEAR THESE ARE ALL WILLIAMS' STATS]

 

[malus]

All I'm trying to say is that teams can not win a title one year, and then win a title the next year without a huge influx of talent. Therefore there is no need to be whiny and filled with panic that the Cavs haven't added a ton of talent to their team, which a few people have been doing.

You can't honestly think that my point was adding Shaun Livingston is the key to success, right? Do I seem that stupid to you?

It just seems like a pretty weak point to me, I dunno. We didn't do what the Warriors did when they went from 1st round exit to winning a title. Kyrie Irving rising to MVP level would be one thing we could do similarly I suppose.

Of course we can win without adding more talent but you always want to improve your team, and therefore improve your chances.

 

[JFT]

Interesting interview with Mavs follower.

http://www.fearthesword.com/2015/7/...ard-jefferson-with-tim-cato-of-mavs-moneyball

 

[David.]

What are the mavs boards saying about him and the signing

 

[mds]

What are the mavs boards saying about him and the signing

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showthread.php?s=1da348bf2416bfc395ba50371be4e926&t=39363

http://www.scout.com/nba/mavericks/...-jefferson-to-sign-with-cavs-rather-than-mavs

 

[Scar4343]

Jeff Taylor shot 32.4% on catch and shoot opportunities, which is his specialty shot. His Efg%, adjusted to take into account his three point attempts, was 50.0 overall. Jefferson Shot 42.9% on catch and shoot opportunities and 62.2 on his Efg%. You probably didn't notice how terrible Jeff Taylor was last season because he only played 29 games.

And, it appears we "missed out" on Jeffrey Taylor as he signed with Real Madrid for 1yr/$900k. Must've been a lot of demand for him here, lol.

 

[David.]

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showthread.php?s=1da348bf2416bfc395ba50371be4e926&t=39363

http://www.scout.com/nba/mavericks/...-jefferson-to-sign-with-cavs-rather-than-mavs

They certainly respect him more than we did Marion

 

[Cayman13]

Why hasn't this been officially announced anywhere?


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[mds]

They certainly respect him more than we did Marion

I was pretty pumped about Marion when we signed him, but in general he did not look too hot, particularly his shooting. I know its been a point of argument in these parts, but I did not blame Blatt for sitting him. Hopefully RJ can take 10-15 minutes and hit some open shots...at the very least, he provides the Wildcat juice every team needs.

 

[David.]

I was pretty pumped about Marion when we signed him, but in general he did not look too hot, particularly his shooting. I know its been a point of argument in these parts, but I did not blame Blatt for sitting him. Hopefully RJ can take 10-15 minutes and hit some open shots...at the very least, he provides the Wildcat juice every team needs.

Honestly I don't think he had enough time. He was comfortable shooting early, started missing and never got to play again.

I think he could have contributed a good amount, especially if we let him play through it.

Im starting to really like the rj move

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I actually like the Jefferson signing. He's become a really good three point shooter, he can still get up and down the floor, and he hasn't completely lost his athleticism. For the minimum you aren't going to find much better unless you get ucky like the Spurs did with David West.

 

[PedroFlu]

Marion was offensively horrendous from the first time he stepped on court for Cleveland.

I don't think we'd have done any difference in the playoffs, even with a disfigured team by injuries. That's how bad he was.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Honestly I don't think he had enough time. He was comfortable shooting early, started missing and never got to play again.

I think he could have contributed a good amount, especially if we let him play through it.

Im starting to really like the rj move

Staff had asked around, we were told Marion was playing in pain toward the end of the regular season. Once Love went down, the coaches decided to keep him active for emergencies only. Miller was ahead of him for spot duty simply due to health.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Since it's the Jefferson thread I'll replace the comparison to Delly with one to Mo Williams, who you would think of as our best offensive bench player

Wide Open (closest opponent 6+ feet) -- Williams 54.3 eFG%, Jefferson 77.5 eFG%

Open (closest opponent 4-6 feet) -- Delly 50.3 eFG%, Jefferson 61.5 eFG%

Tight (closest opponent 2-4 feet) -- Delly 45.3 eFG%, Jefferson 46.2 eFG%

Very tight (closest opponent 0-2 feet) -- Delly 29.1, Jefferson 30.2 eFG% -- no one shoots well guarded like this

So three of the four comparisons still say Delly.. are those Mo's numbers? A quick edit would be appreciated, I'm curious.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

All I'm trying to say is that teams can not win a title one year, and then win a title the next year without a huge influx of talent. Therefore there is no need to be whiny and filled with panic that the Cavs haven't added a ton of talent to their team, which a few people have been doing.

You can't honestly think that my point was adding Shaun Livingston is the key to success, right? Do I seem that stupid to you?

Precisely. What major additions did the Miami Heat make after losing the Finals in 2011? Norris Cole and Battier. They didn't win because of their offseason additions, though they certainly helped. They won because the big 3 had a year of playing together as a team.

The big thing for us is staying healthy. I also think people are really underestimating the impact Mo is going to have on our bench. I'm not going to say he's going to blow the doors off the league or anything, but he's a better offensive player than anyone we had coming off the bench last season. He's a legitimate PG who can score, create, and has experience playing with LeBron.

Mo's addition also means that we can rest LeBron and Kyrie at the same time if we so choose. We couldn't do that last year because we didn't have the ball-handlers to do it. I could definitely see a Mo, Shump, RJ, Love, and Moz lineup being really successful in spurts.