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Rage Against the Machine is huge, even though they aren't my shit. They are at least as worthy as Def Leppard IMO. I'm rooting for Devo but at least part of that is my username. MC5 should already be in, as innovators of punk rock.

Radiohead, The Cure, and Nicks should be givens though I agree. I don't know the others well enough to claim one way or the other.

I'd vote for Devo before someone like Def Leppard in a heartbeat. They at least did something different. RATM also, even though they're not my thing either.

On the other hand, I can't tell the difference between Stone Temple Pilots and Pearl Jam, so what the fuck do I know.
 
Ok I looked it up. Top 500 at 384...close enough. :chuckle:

And VH1 is the one that loved them and put them in the top 100.

They sold like CRAZY. And within their genre they were probably the best or close?

Your fascination is with “originality”, which is understandable. You and young Mike Patton from Epic would be good buddies, eating pastrami sandwiches together. I do get it.

But it’s been impossible to be original forever. So to some extent being able to appeal to the masses, entertain on stage and produce a massive amount of hits over 10 years had some respectability. How many bands of the zillions of bands that have come out have done all of those things?

Led Zeppelin is my favorite band of all time, easily. For a variety of reasons. Not gonna get into them because I’ve done it a zillion times. But they were also thieves (literally) and very derivative themselves. As is everyone else that’s ever played music since cavemen.

If you can dominate within your genre, I respect that. It doesn’t meant I’ll do anything other than listen to 3-4 songs on my amazon playlist while I’m running but...there’s an achievement there.
 
Has anyone visited the hall of fame recently? I've always heard it's not worth the $23 so I have never been.
 
None of their songs appear in Rolling Stones top 200 (I didn't check back further than that), none of their albums are in the Rolling Stone top 100, and they're not listed in the Top 100 artists. So certainly they're certainly not on "any" top 100 lists for best bands and best songs. I'm not saying that Rolling Stone is the gatekeeper for what a great song, album, or band is, but it's your metric.

To use @Randolphkeys 's standard, I'd agree they made "quality rock songs". But so did .38 Special. I just don't see their songs as being significantly different/better than those made by a shitload of other hair bands. Is "Pour Some Sugar on Me" really any different/better than Whitesnake's "Here I Go Again", Poison's "Every Rose Has Its Thorn", or Bon Jovi's "You Give Love a Bad Name"? All of those songs could have been written/performed by any of those bands. There's just a sameness. Saw one of their shows once back when they were big, and it was...fine. But nothing special.

The big separation for Def Leppard over bands like Whitesnake and .38 Special would be sheer album sales. I'd like to add that "Here I Go Again" is a great stand alone number, but that is a topic for another day. RIAA has Def Leppard at 35.5 million albums sold. Queen and Bon Jovi are at 34.5 million sold and are both in the HOF, for comparison. Obviously Poison and Whitesnake never had that type of selling power. Of course we shouldn't just go by album sales or else we would have to talk about Celine Dion and Barbara Streisand as a R&R HOF candidate.

With all these musicians, throwing around statistics or sales numbers turns into an excercise in ignoring facts and pushing other facts forward. By talking album sales numbers, I conveniently left out that Foreigner outsold Def Leppard by two million albums. Why? I dislike Foreigner. My wife defends Foreigner in discussions of music when the subject comes up and thuroughly embarrasses me when she does it.

The fact of the matter is that all these bands up for enshrinement have been passed over for the R&R HOF at least once. They all have a legitimate argument against their inclusion. For Def Leppard, they were at the Poison type level until they brought in Phil Collens (not Collins) on guitar for Hysteria as their original main guitarist Steve Clark became a drugged out waste. Then as grunge and alternative influences hit, they didn't really change their sound. They peaked and faded, as have plenty of other bands.

Well, no argument there but that was kind of the point. I think what the standard has become over the years blows. I dunno -- I just think that if I'm listening to a Hall of Fame artist, they should be doing something that sounds unique/different/of exceptionally high quality, etc.. Not something that pretty much sounds indistinguishable from what a dozen other bands did.

Def Leppard had a fantastic producer who put layers of guitar effects over the songs. When you said you saw them live and it was underwhelming, I wasn't that surprised. In videos I've seen of them live they rely heavily on the crowd carrying them through. It does speak to how much the music connected with their fan base, but overproduction was a trait of mid 80s through early 90s albums.

I usually defend bands that had influence and originality over the pure hits as well. If we were talking The Pixies or Def Leppard, only one would be allowed in, I'd cast my vote for The Pixies who charted the course of alternative pop songs in a new direction. It's also why I liked the inclusion of DEVO - they pioneered experimenting with the genre through the late 70s into the mid 80s, even if some of it didn't work. They were known for being discovered by David Bowie and jamming with plenty of rock giants like Neil Young who were stuck in their ways a little too much and helping them rethink their sound. DEVO didn't have many hits, but they helped others make hits.

It seems like the Rock Hall has different types of acts getting in every year to address different criteria. They let in a hit machine like Green Day and an influential individual in Lou Reed the same year, but also let in Bill Withers, Stevie Ray Vaughn and Joan Jett because they wanted to appeal to a variety of musical tastes. The HOF overall caters to somebody like me who listens to white guys noodling away on electric guitars, but they want other styles recognized as music genres become less fragmented.
 
Def fucking Leppard? What's the difference between them, Whitesnake, Poison,or any number of other cardboard cutout hair bands?

I think bands that broke ground should be preferred ahead of catchy singles bands. So though I'm not a Kraftwerk fan, I'd vote for them. Also probably Radiohead, the Cure,and Stevie Nicks.

Don't think any others are deserving.

Def Leppard is more accomplished than Poison or Whitesnake and had hits before Hair Bands became a thing. Their chart history lasted about 10 years through 3 or 4 albums.

I don't think LL Cool J is getting enough love for his rap history....if we are going rap for "Rock" which we clearly are but I get the debate against.

Not sure how Devo makes it in over The Cure. neither is my style of music, but I think The Cure was far more influential in my opinion.
 
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Has anyone visited the hall of fame recently? I've always heard it's not worth the $23 so I have never been.
I played a show there a decade ago. It was.. Fine. Mildly interesting place. All I remember was a really small nirvana display. The band playing there also sucked.
 
Def Leppard is more accomplished than Poison or Whitesnake and had hits before Hair Bands became a thing. Their chart history lasted about 10 years through 3 or 4 albums.

I don't the LL Cool J is getting enough love for his rap history....if we are going rap for "Rock" which we clearly are but I get the debate against.

Not sure how Devo makes it in over The Cure. neither is my style of music, but I think The Cure was far more influential in my opinion.
Not sure how Devo gets in over Bell Biv DeVoe
 
Not sure how Devo gets in over Bell Biv DeVoe

I love Bell Biv DeVoe, but I am a huge 80's and 90' hip hop fan.

But Devo had 8 top 100 songs, 2 top 10, highest being number 6 (not Whip it surprisingly), just not sure how that gets you in the hall.

BBD had 7 top 100 songs, 3 in the top 10, highest being 2 songs that peaked at 3.

They were both huge in their Genre for a few years, one being alt rock, the other being new jack swing.

I know it was a joke, and I don't believe BBD belongs in the hall, but they are just as accomplished as Devo, who also doesn't belong in the hall.
 
I...like Foreigner.

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Hard to tell if joking, but I am shocked they are not in.

22 top 100 hits, 9 top 10 hits including a number 1 hit.

Probably more deserving than half the people in the Hall. It has become a joke. Michael Jackson didn't make it in the first year eligible? Sure his r&b, but clearly they are using the term rock loosely. Cars and Dire Straights are in but not Foreigner? None of these bands were ground breaking, but clearly Foreigner has a longer chart history and more hits.

Thread is kind of annoying, who votes for these acts?
 
Hard to tell if joking, but I am shocked they are not in.

22 top 100 hits, 9 top 10 hits including a number 1 hit.

Probably more deserving than half the people in the Hall. It has become a joke. Michael Jackson didn't make it in the first year eligible? Sure his r&b, but clearly they are using the term rock loosely. Cars and Dire Straights are in but not Foreigner? None of these bands were ground breaking, but clearly Foreigner has a longer chart history and more hits.

Thread is kind of annoying, who votes for these acts?

Not joking at all. They’re all over my amazon playlist.

@Randolphkeys was making fun of them earlier so I felt like I needed to defend myself.
 
Not joking at all. They’re all over my amazon playlist.

@Randolphkeys was making fun of them earlier so I felt like I needed to defend myself.

For me they for sure are rolling skating music and in the hokey song list with acts like Rod Stewart or Cheap Trick. But they had some good music and for sure had some hits.

Only one song topped the charts for them, can you name it without looking it up?
 
For me they for sure are rolling skating music and in the hokey song list with acts like Rod Stewart or Cheap Trick. But they had some good music and for sure had some hits.

Only one song topped the charts for them, can you name it without looking it up?

Without looking it up I’m thinking Jukebox Hero.

If it isnt that I’m going Urgent.
 

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