Sacramento Kings

[KB]

Re: Sacramento Kings Total Cluster-fudge

This trade pisses me off. I try to ignore that it ever happened. I know JJ will not be the difference in a championship or not, but everytime I watch Samardo Samuels, Jon Leuer, Ryan Hollins, Harangody, Luke Walton, etc playing PF/C over the past 2 years.... yea, it makes me wish we had Hickson back.

The contract excuses people are making is ridiculous. Who gives a damn what JJ wanted? That doesn't mean he would ever get it. He signed a 1 year, 4 million dollar deal in Portland. But since he thought he'd get a big extenion, we had to trade him? PLEASE. That is just weak.

We will never see the Kings pick until it turns into a 2nd rounder. They are probably the worst organization in the NBA..... And as far as Casspi goes.... I can't help but laugh at the people that said they watched a lot of Casspi and that they were just 100% certain that he'd turn into a solid role player for us and that it was all the Kings fault that he sucked so bad.

What a disaster of a trade. Sad too. Kings used to be my "2nd team" for a long time, but now they are just a disgrace.

If JJ would have stay here he probably gets close to or exceeds his averages from the year before

If that happens he gets way more than 1 year 4 mil deal and probably ends up overpaid. Probably an understandment for a post player who shots 48% on his career

JJ just ended up getting lucky and landing in Portland next to a legit big that makes hime look a lot better than he really is imo

I thought this trade was one of Grants better moves

 

[The Process God]

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No... we are NEVER going to see this pick. It was so heavily guarded that anyone not looking through wine and gold colored glasses said as much when the pick was made.

I still think Sacto will look to move before they ever have a chance at making the playoffs.

In order to not see this pick, the Kings will have to break the NBA record for the most years gone without making the playoffs, and on top of this, they only need to make it to the 11th worst team or better in order for us to get the pick, so they technically don't even have to make the playoffs in order for us to see the pick. The odds are in our favor of getting a high lottery pick out of JJ, who had to be released by two teams because of his antics.

I'm not going to pretend like I know what was going on behind the scenes with the dealing of JJ or the deal with JJ and the Cavs at the time, but I am sure that Grant got the best deal that he could for JJ at the time. Regardless of what happens, one fact is that we won the trade. We got more out of it than the Kings did, and that includes even just getting a second rounder, which I highly doubt is what we get. I don't believe that JJ would have been dealt had nothing been wrong. Sure, JJ wasn't going to get that contract, but we had a limited amount of time to work with at that time, so we couldn't play the waiting game with him like we did with Gee. Not to mention that the Cavs may have valued cap space so much that they didn't want it to get eaten up by JJ even if we'd have a lot with him signed. I think it's the cap space issue combined with his stat-stuffing-lack-of-defense-bonehead effort that forced our hand in trading him. I have no regrets thus far about it.

We still don't know how Tristan is going to pan out, and we still don't know what we're going to get with the pick that we receive from the Kings. I think that the only logical thing to do is to sit back and withhold judgment until things play out more. Yes, that's going to take years. It will probably even take as long as one or two years into the career of whoever we draft with that pick. But hey, that's what the Cavs' FO signed up for, and I'm all on board for it. We knew that the process wasn't going to be fast, but it's a matter of biding our time, taking our lumps (three years of tanking), and making the right moves when it mattered even if they won't pay off for years in order to maximize our team's overall talent for the future.

I have no doubts that we could have had a better team last season or even two years ago than we have now if we really wanted to, but we'd be a one-round exit yearly like the Rockets if we did that. Give it some time.

 

[Goldin Brown]

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I didn't like the JJ trade or releasing Danny Green, thought we gave up on those guys entirely too quickly. JJ is balling for the Blazers right now btw, but yeah, maybe going to Sactown and failing helped him grow up. We would definitely have better depth if we didn't make those moves, but maybe we would have missed out on Dion or Zeller? All I'm hoping for is that we get that 1st rounder at some point, otherwise this trade will have been a huge failure.

 

[The Oi]

Re: Sacramento Kings Total Cluster-fudge

JJ 1 pt and two rebs away from a 20-20 game today. Some nights he's been the second best player on that roster. It looks like he finally figured it out...

 

[ChicagoCavFan]

Re: Sacramento Kings Total Cluster-fudge

Finally figured it out? He averaged 14 and 8 in 28 minutes per game. Yet, still unloaded for Asspi. Here are some JJ high numbers in 2010/2011 with the Cavs (traded to Kings on June 30, 2011):

On November 2, 2010, Hickson had a career-high 31 points in a losing effort to the Atlanta Hawks. On January 23, Hickson grabbed a career high 20 rebounds and also a career high of offensive rebounds, 11, in a game against the Chicago Bulls. On February 25, J.J. set a career high of 5 blocks, in a victory over the New York Knicks.

All of these career marks were set in Cleveland. He has the potential, but we chose not to keep him in the organization. Very telling, IMO.

 

[Fuggles]

Re: Sacramento Kings Total Cluster-fudge

JJ 1 pt and two rebs away from a 20-20 game today. Some nights he's been the second best player on that roster. It looks like he finally figured it out...

So does this mean I should hate on Tristan more or less?

Realcavsfans is confusing.

 

[MRMsix6]

Re: Sacramento Kings Total Cluster-fudge

Lotta hindsight in this thread.

We still have a ways to go before that Sac pick is relinquished. Just conceding that we won't see it this year, we're still looking at top-12 protected in 2014, top-10 protected in 2015, top-10 protected in 2016 and top-10 protected in the 2017 Draft. That's a looong time. For anyone to say it's a sure thing we won't see that pick is crazy.

 

[Scholar]

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JJ 1 pt and two rebs away from a 20-20 game today. Some nights he's been the second best player on that roster. It looks like he finally figured it out...

Really? How about the defensive side of things? The part he's never gotten right. Has he finally figured that out?

 

[caf]

Re: Sacramento Kings Total Cluster-fudge

He's playing the center position while LMA is playing a stretch 4. He is getting a lot of positioning and open looks near the basket because of it.

 

[The Oi]

Re: Sacramento Kings Total Cluster-fudge

Really? How about the defensive side of things? The part he's never gotten right. Has he finally figured that out?

He's looked excellent on defense this year and he's played against some offensively skilled bigs thus far. Remember, rebounding is a big part of defense...so long as you don't do the Kevin Love thing and give up on the shot and immediately box out instead of defending.

His fundamentals have improved tremendously and the guy is focused on both ends. I mentioned this before, but he did an impressive job on Dwight. Dwight was getting shots over JJ's head, but JJ bodied him up well and frustrated him as much as anyone. With certain guys in the league like LeBron, Wade, Melo and Dwight to name a few...all you want to see if effort on the defensive end and the guy's getting frustrated enough to take bad shots or get off their game in short bursts. JJ has been doing that.

If he keeps it up, he'll have a long career. Seems like a nice kid and he's playing very passionate, aggressive ball so I'm not gonna root against him. He's on his way to becoming a crowd favorite too.

Bottom line is...maybe the situation required it, but letting him go isn't going to look very good for the Cavs. It'll be a regret for sure.

 

[JDeezy]

Re: Sacramento Kings Total Cluster-fudge

At the time we all thought JJ was a moron with stone hands. Which he was.

 

[westsidebob]

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Can we stop saying the Cavs won't get anything from Sacramento?

Trade conditions:

2013 first round draft pick from Sacramento
Sacramento's own 2013 first round draft pick to Cleveland (top-13 protected in 2013, top-12 protected in 2014, top-10 protected in 2015, top-10 protected in 2016 and top-10 protected in the 2017 Draft) If Cleveland has not received a first round pick from Sacramento by 2017, then Sacramento shall convey their own 2017 2nd round draft pick to Cleveland provided it is within the top-55 picks. If it is not, then Sacramento's obligation to Cleveland shall be extinguished. (Cleveland-Sacramento, 6/30/2011)


The 1st is top 10 protected in 2017. If they're still in the top ten, Cavs get their second round pick - provided it's in the top 55. In other words, the only way the Cavs get screwed is if there's a six-way tie for the 10th worst record in the leage and Sacramento loses the coin flips. Or, if the NBA adds 15 new expansion teams.

Wait, this is Cleveland, either option is plausible.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

Re: Sacramento Kings Total Cluster-fudge

Lotta hindsight in this thread.

An hour after the terms of the trade were known...

Blast me for this

Didnt like draft night

Dont like this trade. (because of the protections)

2012 lottery protected does not work for me. There were/are other teams interested in Hickson other than Sac. Omri Casspi can be pretty good, but as it is right now, he is not of Hicksons caliber of asset nor player.

I cant shake the feeling that once locked in on a target, this FO is in tunnel vision mode.

Alot of speculation on what JJ Hickson would have POSSIBLY cost us on the RFA market under a new CBA, in order to justify this trade.

Also, anyone hoping or wishing Sacramento would suddenly make the playoffs, have to understand that the Owners are still hoping to relocate the Kings in the next few seasons.

I put the Clippers chances on making the playoffs much higher than Sacto over the next 5 years

(At the time, this seemed far fetched as all the Clippers had was Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon... perhaps I should play the lottery for the first time ever tonight:chuckles

Proceed, Governor

 

[Jack Brickman]

Re: Sacramento Kings Total Cluster-fudge

If the Kings are still picking in the top ten in 2017, they deserve to keep their pick.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

Re: Sacramento Kings Total Cluster-fudge

If the Kings are still picking in the top ten in 2017, they deserve to keep their pick.

Im thinking the only way they will not, is if the Maloofs sell. The new owner would of course be guaranteed a top pick in the draft (as most new owners are under Stern/Silver) and the new city would put asses in the seats to justify spending a little bit.