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Samardo Samuels: Thoughts Observations and Projections

Discussion in 'Cavs Talk' started by Frank Reynolds, Jan 27, 2012.

  1. Frank Reynolds

    Frank Reynolds Co-Owner Paddy's Pub

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    RCF Thoughts on Samardo Samuels?

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    Definitely a very strong guy, thick build made for moving bodies down low.

    He seems to have very nimble feet, which is a huge plus for a big guy. I'd even venture to say he might have played soccer at some point in his life, as his lateral quickness seems pretty solid.

    He looks to have somewhat of a post game, I have seen him use various spins, drop steps and the like down low. I even remember seeing him with a Hakeem dream shake on a play that kind of caught me off guard.

    He is definitely more athletic than you might guess at first glance. A lot of times he dunks the ball and he appears to get up pretty quickly.

    He seems to have pretty good hands when going up for rebounds or receiving the entry pass.

    And lastly he even has shown a little bit of an outside J. His jumper is really quick like big baby Davis, but he has been shooting it from a little too far out lately for my taste.

    Glen Davis seems like a good side-by side, a lot of times looking at them they both have a similar build (Davis might be thicker and stronger) but Samardo is definitely more athletic and I'd venture to say he has the higher upside.

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  2. Free Agency God

    Free Agency God Birthing All-Stars

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    The guy needs to lose about 10-20 lbs of fat and put on 10-20 lbs of muscle and work on his D and attitude.
     
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  3. WhoWeAre

    WhoWeAre Banned

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    Glen Davis is a big fat pussy. If he's gonna be a Glen Davis, then I hope we don't invest too much time into him.

    Samardo was one of the top recruited guys out of high school...

    ...there's a reason why he hasn't done much since then, and I'm guessing none of it has to do with his athleticism and/or potential skill level.
     
  4. JAY1977

    JAY1977 inspired to play ball

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    Coach Scott said it best he will have a great game followed by 4-5 bad games. Consistency would be nice.
    Limiting fouls and getting more rebounds while playing solid D will get him more minutes.
     
  5. AvonCavsFan

    AvonCavsFan Well-Known Member

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    I think Samardo has played quite well in most of his opportunities. He looks like he slimmed down quite a bit from last year to me. He is a way more explosive player than Big Baby. His upside is likely higher than that.

    Is Sullinger all that much better than him--and if you think so, can you explain why you think that?
     
  6. wuck

    wuck Hustling on the inside Staff Member

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    Samuels couldn't ask for a better chance to get playing time and develop as a young player than what he has in Cleveland. He just needs to take advantage of it, during the season and the off-season. I think his lack of height will put constraints on what he can ultimately offer, but it seems like he has the potential to contribute to the team now and possibly into the future.

    He needs to grab the opportunity.
     
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  7. AvonCavsFan

    AvonCavsFan Well-Known Member

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    I did a quick check, in games that he played more than 15 minutes (which is just 5 times this year), he is shooting 62% and is averaging 9.2 pts, 3.6 boards .6 assists, .4 blocks, .4 steals, 3.4 fouls, and 2.4 turnovers.

    So that tells us he is doing pretty good at scoring, but he is not rebounding all that well for a PF. He also is fouling a LOT and his turnovers are very high. I think he does do a great job at sliding over and taking charges. He is young, if he can work on a few things, I think he can develop into a pretty good off the bench big for us.
     
  8. narbar32

    narbar32 Logjammin'

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    Maxiel staying employed for as long as he has tells me Samardo will make a nice little living for himself in this league.
     
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  9. KCOTT

    KCOTT OSU Alum

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    Samardo will become a serviceable role player some day, I just think it's just a matter of mentally getting there.
     
  10. Jon

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    Maxiel? Traylor? Milsap?

    It all depends on Samardo's drive to get in shape, grab every rebound he can, and improve his game.
     
  11. CleveRocks

    CleveRocks There go the Cavs!

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    Geeze Who, you need to back off the caffiene...

    Big Baby has been a serviceable player, and if Samardo's ceiling was similar, then we stole him undrafted.

    I think people who see him play compare his physical game to Big Baby, and perhaps Zach Randolph would be another one. I am a bit puzzled by the "lack of size" comment since he is exactly the same size as Randolph. He has lately been hitting that 12-15 foot jumper, and sometimes he gets a lot of foul calls and other times he gets called. In particular he has games where every move is a charge/turnover.

    I see it as learning. He is a young guy, played only one year of college ball. But he has the physical tools to be pretty good. Sometimes he says stuff which makes you just shake your head, but I don't think he is a bad atitude guy, like Randolph used to be.
     
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  12. Homer Safari

    Homer Safari High five!

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    Samuels defense is has improved significantly. He is strong in the paint and his defensive awareness has picked up big time. He has also been developing an intimidation factor in just 47 nba games. Consistency is his achilles heel right now
     
  13. mcfly

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    Samardo is a beast, he has soft hands and displays a nice touch more often than not. To me, his biggest hurdles seem like concentration and consistency.
     
  14. cavsguy13

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    Samardo often seems afraid to make a mistake. I hope Jamison is let go soon so both Samardo and Tristan can have consistent minutes regardless if they make a few mistakes.
     
  15. PIP

    PIP Orange and Blue Staff Member

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    Wasted talent.
     
  16. Hydroponic3385

    Hydroponic3385 Snitches get stitches

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    Don't be so hard on yourself, PIP. You're not that terrible of a poster.
     
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  17. wuck

    wuck Hustling on the inside Staff Member

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    From Jason Lloyd:

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    Samuels seems to be back in the Cavs' rotation for now, but Scott would like to see more consistency out of him. Scott said Samuels will play well for two games, then disappear when he's on the court in the next four.

    "He's like Jekyll and Hyde," Scott said.

    Samuels laughed when told of that assessment and said he hasn't even been given six consecutive games this season to have two good and four bad. He's right. He hasn't played in more than three consecutive games this season. :chuckles:

    "That's a pretty tough assessment," Samuels said with a chuckle. "I've been trying to stay consistent. I understand the thing with Tristan (being a high draft pick) and you have to play him, so I'm just staying ready and when my number gets called, I go in there and do my thing. I know how to play basketball. I prove that every time I get my chance and my minutes."
     
  18. WhoWeAre

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    Sounds like the real problem is not consistency per se, but player/coach friction. Samuels needs to shut the fuck up, work hard, and realize that he doesn't deserve anything at this point.
     
  19. Homer Safari

    Homer Safari High five!

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    Samuels is scotts project. He is an undrafted big man who has the talent and skill of a mid first round pick. Scott expects him to play at that level . I have no problems with how Scott is handling Samuels. Samuels may seem to blow off Scotts public critiques but it tends to typically have an impact on Samuels to keep stepping it up.
     
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  20. CleveRocks

    CleveRocks There go the Cavs!

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    I don't see it as friction. Scott has a rep for bustin chops and high expectations. But Samardo is right. He can ball. I think he is going to yield at least the upside that Anderson did, and given he was undrafted that bodes well for us.
     

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