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Who would you prefer as the Next Coach

  • Byron Scott

    Votes: 79 19.5%
  • Brian Shaw

    Votes: 225 55.6%
  • Either one is fine

    Votes: 88 21.7%
  • Neither

    Votes: 13 3.2%

  • Total voters
    405
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Re: Windy: Offer to Shaw or Scott could come soon

Pros don't need motivation exactly, they need to be kept engaged, challenged, and focused. That's what makes Phil so brilliant.

Brian Shaw has some strong recommendations, but that's all we've got. Just like with Mike Brown, we'd be starting from scratch and discovering all his true strengths and weaknesses.

Mike's strength as an assistant (besides defense and work ethic) was how he related to the players and was able to keep the Pacers together and focused on playing ball after the brawl. maybe Shaw motivates great ... but what about when the shit hits the fan? Can he manage that without Phil around? I don't think we can know. He hasn't been a head coach or put in to that position as far as I know.

What I think we all want is a coach who when things are going downhill in a game will blow his whistle, recognize the problem, wave his magic wand, and make the problem go away. A coach who will keep the opposing coach on his toes and guessing what's coming next.

Is that Shaw? How can we possibly say?

When Shaq and Kobe had issues, Shaw led the closed door meetings to keep the two on the same page. I believe that could help the Cavs ten-fold over Mike Brown, who had issues keeping both LeBron and Shaq happy.
 
Re: Windy: Offer to Shaw or Scott could come soon

Pros don't need motivation exactly, they need to be kept engaged, challenged, and focused. That's what makes Phil so brilliant.

Brian Shaw has some strong recommendations, but that's all we've got. Just like with Mike Brown, we'd be starting from scratch and discovering all his true strengths and weaknesses.

Mike's strength as an assistant (besides defense and work ethic) was how he related to the players and was able to keep the Pacers together and focused on playing ball after the brawl. maybe Shaw motivates great ... but what about when the shit hits the fan? Can he manage that without Phil around? I don't think we can know. He hasn't been a head coach or put in to that position as far as I know.

What I think we all want is a coach who when things are going downhill in a game will blow his whistle, recognize the problem, wave his magic wand, and make the problem go away. A coach who will keep the opposing coach on his toes and guessing what's coming next.

Is that Shaw? How can we possibly say?

Short answer: No way of knowing.

Long answer: No way of knowing, but Byron Scott is certainly not that coach, so better take a gamble.
 
Re: Windy: Offer to Shaw or Scott could come soon

Give me any head coach that will listen to his assistants input on defensive matchups, offensive gameplan, and substitutions/rotations...

Sometimes you gotta lean on them a little, a mistake I felt was made under the last regime...

Actually when we had John Kuester, Mike Brown gave a lot of control of the offense to him... and then for some reason took it away in that Orlando series last year (or atleast ive heard it spectulated that he did), and we all know what happened then.... we lost.
 
Re: Windy: Offer to Shaw or Scott could come soon

So LeBron wants a coach who played in the NBA. Lets consider:

Chicago - Tom Thibodeau, never played
Miami - Erik Spoelstra, never played

Now D'Antoni, Scott and Shaw all played. But Scott and Shaw won multiple titles as players. Dantoni played 3 seasons, and had Mike Brown type failures in the playoffs.

Either Shaw or Scott will give us a coaching edge.
Outstanding post.
 
Re: Windy: Offer to Shaw or Scott could come soon

Outstanding post.

Sadly, the sound logic that works for you and col63onel doesn't really matter as much as the opinion of LeBron, now does it?

Look a Shaq's track record through the years: he ate Coaches Hill, Van Gundy, and Brown for breakfast but respected Phil and Riley. NBA playing and championship coaching experience talks with superstars... clip board jockeys end up kissing superstar ass to keep their jobs.
 
Re: Windy: Offer to Shaw or Scott could come soon

Come to think of it, a Bill Laimbeer would be an interesting choice as an assistant. He was the bigman coach in Minnesota last season and I'm sure he would like a promotion to a contender. Rick Mahorn is currently out of a job, if the Cavs want an end of the bench assistant to work with the bigs.

The best in the league is the great Tim Grgurich. I said it back when Mike Brown was hired and I'll say it again: Coach Grgs would transform LeBron if he were pried away from the Denver franchise.

http://www.nba.com/coachfile/tim_grgurich/index.html



I'd still like the assistant head coach to have some more experience than the big man coaches, which is a bit of a specialty assistant coach position, like a Chris Jent.

This.

Laimbeer and Mahorn are bad-asses who will tremendously improve our bigs' defense. Laimbeer specially has a lot of NBA winning experience and that alone makes him a quality signing.

Tim Grgurich is known to facilitate top-class big-man camps and even seasoned veterans work with him during the off-season.
 
Re: Windy: Offer to Shaw or Scott could come soon

Great news. Im confident that one of them will accept an offer. Put the right assistants around them and you have a nice coaching upgrade. Definitely not guys who we settled for after Izzo turned down the offer.
 
Re: Windy: Offer to Shaw or Scott could come soon

Short answer: No way of knowing.

Long answer: No way of knowing, but Byron Scott is certainly not that coach, so better take a gamble.

I'd love to see the 1st time Scott gets in Lebron's face for something. Scott is old-school. That hasn't worked so well in his last gigs (short tenure and burnt bridges).

Phil, in many ways, was a major shift from old-school coaching styles to new-school coaching styles. He was a hippie, people didn't take him seriously, so he learned his Zen-style or using psychology to bring teams together to win. He's never been an in-your-face kind of coach, instead he'll assign a player a certain kind of book to read, take them on a planned field trip, call them out in the media, etc. He knows that this is a different NBA and he needs to be a different kind of coach (I always felt that people over-rated the triangle offense. How is it that much better than say the Princeton offense? I think it's Phil the coach, not Phil the x and o guy, that is responsible for 11 championships).

In today's NBA, you can't go off screaming at them or as in Scott's case, complaining that they don't try like the old-days. The ex-players are always griping about this when they're announcing games. Get over it already. It's a new NBA with spoiled young kids that have never been yelled at a day in their lives. Most of them have been given everything they've ever wanted and haven't had to give a crap about what they leave in their wake. To get to these kind of egos, you need to use a different style. Doc Rivers learned it in Boston. George Karl has learned it over the years. Pop has mellowed out. Riley has always been a different breed. Anyway, great coaches learn to adjust.

I think Mike Brown actually has great potential in this regard but the problem is that Lebron is right, he doesn't have a good feel for the game. I think Gilbert took the risk that he would develop it, and he didn't. So now, we're looking for a coach with that balance of having a good feel for the game and being "new-school". And based on our choices, I think Shaw is the best fit.

(Could this be why all these great college coaches fail in the NBA?)
 
Re: Windy: Offer to Shaw or Scott could come soon

Phil can be a hard ass when he needs it. He knows with certain guys i.e. Rodman, Artest that he has to be careful but he will be plenty difficult when you want to be. My admiration of his abilities grew tremendously a few years back when he sat Kobe for a huge portion of the 4th quarter against the Cavs because Kobe got into a pissing match with Lebron and was jacking up shots. Can you imagine Mike Brown doing that to Lebron ever?
 
Re: Windy: Offer to Shaw or Scott could come soon

Phil is rarely a hard ass. As you suggested, he uses passive-aggressive approaches (like benching Kobe in the 4th quarter) to get his message across. He knows better to get into a shouting match with someone like Kobe. But by benching him, he shows him who has control. That's what I was talking about as in "new-school". He's not trying to copy what's been done, he's adjusting to what's in front of him - and in this example, he has one of the largest egos in the NBA and how to manage this effectively? His books talk a lot about the philosophy of this approach.
 
Re: Windy: Offer to Shaw or Scott could come soon

Man, I'm wishy washy on this.

Of course, I really prefer Phil Jackson, and if I'm Gilbert, I'm throwing big money his way (if we re-sign LeBron and get another stud...big if).

Shaw is much like Mike Brown with respect to him winning a ring(s) as an assistant and playing under good coaches (Jackson & Pop/Carlisle, respectively) and good teams with good records. As others have mentioned, he would be green as a HC, just like Brown.

But, I'm not too fond of Scott, either. To me, neither is a great candidate at this point for us, but as long as LeBron re-signs I'll take what he brings us. The fact that Izzo didn't come here still has me questioning LeBron's motives.
 
Re: Windy: Offer to Shaw or Scott could come soon

ESPN is suggesting that Phil Jackson is coming back for one final year. That makes Byron Scott's decision VERY difficult. Should Scott wait another year to get his dream job with the Lakers ? Or should he take what he can get now with the hope that Lebron stays ?

As for Brian Shaw, if Gilbert offers him the job this week, Shaw will take it.
 
Re: Windy: Offer to Shaw or Scott could come soon

ESPN is suggesting that Phil Jackson is coming back for one final year. That makes Byron Scott's decision VERY difficult. Should Scott wait another year to get his dream job with the Lakers ? Or should he take what he can get now with the hope that Lebron stays ?

As for Brian Shaw, if Gilbert offers him the job this week, Shaw will take it.

I think he would take it, depending on how much we offered him.....possibly even if LeBron left. But, would he want to take over L.A.'s job if it was almost assured he'd get it when Jackson retired?
 
Re: Windy: Offer to Shaw or Scott could come soon

As for Brian Shaw, if Gilbert offers him the job this week, Shaw will take it.

And what makes you think that? You think he takes the job without LeBron being on board yet?
 
Re: Windy: Offer to Shaw or Scott could come soon

Shaw over Scott for me...

Surround Shaw with an experienced Assistant Coach or 2 and we should be fine.
 
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