Shanahan/Loggains Gone

[macbdog]

I agree, Jimmy is way better than the Dolans, at least the Browns offseasons are exciting!!!

 

[Soda]

I can't dog Butch the coach too hard... He had a mental break-down, IIRC, which is not exactly something he can control. He should have had a guy doing his personnel work while he coached, which is definitely his fault. It could have been the best thing to happen to the Browns had things gone a bit differently.

 

[Kevalier]

Scary, scary stuff if the front office believes this strongly about Manziel being the future.

This tells me all that I need to know regarding the state of the franchise. There is literally no other quarterback that started a game in the NFL last season that is less qualified to be a starter going into next season than Manziel. Yes, that includes Brandon fucking Weeden.

 

[spydy13]

So, you approve of unqualified people making crucial personnel decisions and micromanaging a coaching staff? Not exactly a formula for anything but utter failure.

Listen, I'm not saying it is ideal by any stretch of the imagination. The perfect situation would be a guy that has a blank check book and can evaluate talent to the extent that he hires the right people to control his team.

If his goldenboy Johnny continues to be a total flop, maybe he will realize that he should leave the player evaluation to the people he hired to do that and just worry about signing checks. If he figures that out, then we have a guy who will do whatever it takes to get us a winner, which is much better than someone who only owns the team because his dad died.

 

[spydy13]

This tells me all that I need to know regarding the state of the franchise. There is literally no other quarterback that started a game in the NFL last season that is less qualified to be a starter going into next season than Manziel. Yes, that includes Brandon fucking Weeden.

That's just hyperbole.

 

[Kevalier]

Listen, I'm not saying it is ideal by any stretch of the imagination. The perfect situation would be a guy that has a blank check book and can evaluate talent to the extent that he hires the right people to control his team.

If his goldenboy Johnny continues to be a total flop, maybe he will realize that he should leave the player evaluation to the people he hired to do that and just worry about signing checks.

Doubt it. He'll probably just let others take the fall for his blunder just as he did at Pilot Flying J.

 

[Kevalier]

That's just hyperbole.

Nope, I'm fully convinced that Manziel is the least competent quarterback to have started a game last season based on his performance in the Cincinnati game, his woefully underwhelming physical traits, and his total lack of preparation. How do you explain Connor Shaw looking far more adequate against Baltimore two weeks later?

 

[Marbles]

Do you think the Manziel text was a typo? He meant to text, "I want to wreck this *team* together"

 

[AZ_]

Do you think the Manziel text was a typo? He meant to text, "I want to wreck this *team* together"

-2/10

 

[dirtywax]

Didn't it come out near the end of the season that Pettine didn't want Manziel to start, but Shanahan/Loggains
did? WTF is going on?

 

[AZ_]

I'm really inclined to side with this side of the story.

Shanahan was pretty vocal in his "This is Mike's call" after Hoyer was struggling so bad at QB, it came off at the time like he wanted Manziel to take the reigns.

That always stuck with me, even now. Probably because I was terrified that he actually believed it.

 

[MoFlo]

Not really. It definitely leads to some crazy situations like today, but I'd rather have an owner fully invested in trying to make the team good like Jimmy or Danny G than somebody like Lerner or the Dolans.

Problem is neither Haslam nor Gilbert are qualified or know squat about putting a team together in their respective sports.

They hire GM's, scouts, and front office people to do that for them, and they need to let those guys do their jobs.

Yes, I want my owner to pay attention to the team & be present, but there is a difference between being invested in the team and making decisions when you're not qualified to.

 

[spydy13]

I'm really inclined to side with this side of the story.

Shanahan was pretty vocal in his "This is Mike's call" after Hoyer was struggling so bad at QB, it came off at the time like he wanted Manziel to take the reigns.

That always stuck with me, even now. Probably because I was terrified that he actually believed it.

So what the fuck does this mean??? Have the front office and Pettine decided to move on from Johnny and didn't want two of his supporters around? Were they dismissed for other reasons and the ESPN article was their attempt at spin to have an easy out where the front office are the bad guys?

 

[caf]

I, for one, am happy to see Shanny gone. That guy used play action way too much. The point of play action is to get the secondary to bite. But when every pass is play action, the secondary will stop biting... completely defeating the purpose of the play action.

With the heavy push up the middle due to Mack's injury, all the play action did was give our QB less time to react to the pass rush... because by the end of the season, no team respected it.

As far as the speculation of why he left, well... it's all speculation. Who knows for sure what happened. Maybe Pettine and Farmer didn't like Shanny's lack of offensive adjustments during the course of the season. That seems more plausible to me than the Manziel story line.

But Manziel still sells papers... for now, so of course that horse will be beaten to death.

 

[Phills14]

So we know Loggains was a big supporter of Manziel. According to Mary Kay so was Shanahan? Now they are both gone.

But Kyle wanted to leave because he was told what to do by the front office. Did the front office want to play Hoyer and sit their 1st round QB? Shouldn't that be the other way around?

I'm confused.