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[David.]

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But a lot of the criticisms were real risks. Refugee Jews came from Poland, much of Eastern Europe, and Germany. These guys tended to be Marxists, and at the time, that was viewed as a legitimate threat to America. Not to mention the other stuff the article mentioned,



fair



I don' know that it is much different right now. I'll get into this more later, but Lebanon, Jordan, and Turkey have reached capacity. Rentier states just won't take them. And Europe -- sans Germany -- does not want them.



Agreed. But, I'm not sure a good portion of the current frustration is historical anti-Islam (I hate the word Islamophobia) bigotry.



Nobody knows for sure. Probably in the 10,000s to low 100,000s. The dilemma is a lot of those numbers, as we have discussed previously, are people working for ISIS because they need food/water/money and have few other choices.


A shit load.



A fuck ton,



A few reasons. First, Muslims in Indonesia and Eastern Europe want nothing to do with the Middle East. Second, the Arab Gulf states are prioritizing Assad falling over defeating ISIS. This is also why they aren't accepting refugees. It makes it easier to create frustration over Assad, and then easier to radicalize. Finally, as @King Stannis has talked about, a lot of the Arab armies are absolute shit. Don't forget, a lot of ISIS members were part of Saddam's (secular) Ba'ath party and have excellent weapons and mediocre military training.


Agreed.

woah.. fuckton sighting

 

[theSwayze]

My wife wants to go to Palestine.. well, Jerusalem, so Palestine today; but by the time we go it'll be Israel proper.

Anyway.. I keep trying to explain to her that it's not really a good idea to go with my background, last name, and family association. I don't feel like being treated like shit, detained, beaten, or killed - and I know my country wouldn't do jack shit to protect me either.

Maybe try using a fake last name, I'd try out Obama-Bush-Goldberg-Hussain. Play the whole field. What could possibly go wrong.

 

[Huber.]

Found another place for the Syrians to go

http://jcjusticecenter.com/2013/09/14/netherlands-closing-19-prisons-due-to-lack-of-criminals/

 

[Mr. Orange]

Picking up from yesterday...

Heard something interesting today on the news. They said that the US screening on refugees is MUCH more stringent, talking a year or more of background checks compared to Europe which is much less. They said that if you were looking to commit an act of terror, really the last way you would want to enter the US is as a refugee. It's much easier to get in as a student or tourist.

The more you know....

 

[Huber.]

Picking up from yesterday...

Heard something interesting today on the news. They said that the US screening on refugees is MUCH more stringent, talking a year or more of background checks compared to Europe which is much less. They said that if you were looking to commit an act of terror, really the last way you would want to enter the US is as a refugee. It's much easier to get in as a student or tourist.

The more you know....

Never doubt Obama in circumnavigating American laws and procedures.

 

[Mr. Orange]

Never doubt Obama in circumnavigating American laws and procedures.

Huh?

I think you mean the previous administration....

Actually how is your statement at all relevant to the post you quoted? It's not. The post was about facts that a journalist reported on. It is about what actually happens with our immigration department. And you want to what exactly...ignore the facts and blame Obama for something that hasn't happened? Like he is going to go to immigration and say "Hey, let's have more lax standards on refugees"

What are you even talking about?

 

[Notorious]

Notorious, with all due respect bro, this couldn't be further from the truth.



I can agree with much of what you're saying; but I think you're grouping theoretical science with empirical scientific knowledge. One is believed and pursued, the other is known and observed.

It's like saying 2+2 != 4 because ... ?

It's absolutely not. It's not a knock at all. My point is that the masses are becoming super pushy with science. That it's all fact. This is exactly the mindset that will ruin science. Science is meant to change and be free flowing. It's not something set in the stone such as the Bible. Think of it like trying to put a 1,000 piece puzzle together. You're going to put a certain section together, or pieces together in certain spots. You have to have some reference or starting point to see the whole thing through. You will however change pieces and move chunks of pieces around as you get closer to the finish. Scientists must keep an open mind. You're inevitably going to hit the same roadblocks as in puzzle making.

We know size to the level of a universe and quarks. At one point it was thought that the atom was the smallest. Then we split one and found protons, neutrons and electrons. Then we found that each proton and neutron are made of 3 quarks. Now we are looking for things even smaller. When we find those things we may then revise other things. Our theories on the universe change daily. None are right 100%, yet. Some are just more predictable or observable.

You can be damn sure there used to be someone saying an atom is the smallest thing there is, we know this. Someone else was saying no I don't believe it is.

Listening to a lot of people today you get a sense of the struggles of people trying to convince the rest of the world that the earth was round many years ago. For some reason if people learn one thing they hate to change that. There is a lot of people throwing science "facts" around on places like Facebook and twitter. Half of the facts I read I know will be changed as more is learned. That doesn't stop those people from treating others who question that notion like crap. That's why I said science is theoretical, and that's why it's becoming like religion. The greatest scientists are the ones saying that's a good model for what we know so far, but what if...

No one can say what the universe is or what is outside of it. Or what the smallest particle is in existence with certainty. We have a long way to go and theories will be used to take the next few steps and then revised to keep moving forward.

Nothing is set in stone until you have an answer for everything.

 

[gourimoko]

No one can say what the universe is or what is outside of it. Or what the smallest particle is in existence with certainty. We have a long way to go and theories will be used to take the next few steps and then revised to keep moving forward.

Nothing is set in stone until you have an answer for everything.

But a lot of it is set in stone... A lot of this can be explained. I can explain it right now if you want...

Sure, much of science is an open question; hell, the vast majority of it. But we are very close to a "Theory of Everything" that would do what you're saying can't be done.

We thought we were very close before, but quantum mechanics has really caught up with major breakthroughs in science. We are even now investigating the very composition of space-time and the actual underlying reality beneath that layer of existence all within the framework of quantum mechanics.

Some of the work going on in this field is truly remarkable, eye-opening stuff. And when you come to understand it, you realize just how close we are. The unification of quantum information theory with quantum field theory and into a general understanding of quantum mechanics bodes extremely well for an overall grand unification of theories.

But in short, we know the universe, and all of reality is a finite system of rules that works in some logical deterministic way even if the results of a given interaction can have random outcomes.

From this understanding, we know that a finite solution to the universe is indeed possible.

The Standard Model, now with the Higgs Boson, is virtually complete within semi-classical physics. Now, what is left is the unification of gravitation and the Standard Model, of the classical with the quantum, and we will have your Theory of Everything.

 

[Notorious]

Why not help both? I think both are crises where hundreds of thousands of people are potentially facing death.

I can't help the poor if I'm one of them.

So a lot of you may have just jumped dimensions from an alternate one where the rivers of the USA are literally gold. Let me first say welcome to our new arrivals and let me catch you guys up. In this dimension we are still a great country, but wealth and resources aren't unlimited. Where you come from must be a great place to just think you can help everyone else out and still have something left. There is only so much bending here before you break your own back.

 

[gourimoko]

I can't help the poor if I'm one of them.

Yes you can. You can help them with your vote.

So a lot of you may have just jumped dimensions from an alternate one where the rivers of the USA are literally gold. Let me first say welcome to our new arrivals and let me catch you guys up. In this dimension we are still a great country, but wealth and resources aren't unlimited. Where you come from must be a great place to just think you can help everyone else out and still have something left. There is only so much bending here before you break your own back.

And how much are we bending over and how close are we to breaking said back?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The Pentagon has said that the reason we haven't previously targeted ISUS fuel trucks is because the drivers were considered civilians.

Which just confirms that our air campaign wasn't serious.

 

[Notorious]

Picking up from yesterday...

Heard something interesting today on the news. They said that the US screening on refugees is MUCH more stringent, talking a year or more of background checks compared to Europe which is much less. They said that if you were looking to commit an act of terror, really the last way you would want to enter the US is as a refugee. It's much easier to get in as a student or tourist.

The more you know....

I just don't understand this 1 years 2 years stuff being said. These people are coming over on a boat and then just running through Europe. Hopping on trains in mass. Wondering the countryside. This is all part of a vetting process? How are we vetting these Syrian refugees for a year?

 

[Notorious]

Yes you can. You can help them with your vote.



And how much are we bending over and how close are we to breaking said back?

Again voting for someone else to spend their time, money and resources to make a wrong right doesn't make you moral. It makes you fucking lazy. Set the example. Sell your car, live in squalor, send all of your cash to Syria or Ethiopa. You be the example.

We're 18 Trillion dollars in the hole. I'd say our back is pretty broke.

 

[Notorious]

But a lot of it is set in stone... A lot of this can be explained. I can explain it right now if you want...

Sure, much of science is an open question; hell, the vast majority of it. But we are very close to a "Theory of Everything" that would do what you're saying can't be done.

We thought we were very close before, but quantum mechanics has really caught up with major breakthroughs in science. We are even now investigating the very composition of space-time and the actual underlying reality beneath that layer of existence all within the framework of quantum mechanics.

Some of the work going on in this field is truly remarkable, eye-opening stuff. And when you come to understand it, you realize just how close we are. The unification of quantum information theory with quantum field theory and into a general understanding of quantum mechanics bodes extremely well for an overall grand unification of theories.

But in short, we know the universe, and all of reality is a finite system of rules that works in some logical deterministic way even if the results of a given interaction can have random outcomes.

From this understanding, we know that a finite solution to the universe is indeed possible.

The Standard Model, now with the Higgs Boson, is virtually complete within semi-classical physics. Now, what is left is the unification of gravitation and the Standard Model, of the classical with the quantum, and we will have your Theory of Everything.

We live on a pebble of sand in an infinite ocean. We can't even make a voyage to another pebble of sand. 100 years from now they'll laugh hysterically at us.

 

[gourimoko]

I just don't understand this 1 years 2 years stuff being said. These people are coming over on a boat and then just running through Europe. Hopping on trains in mass. Wondering the countryside. This is all part of a vetting process? How are we vetting these Syrian refugees for a year?

I was listening to a report about an hour ago which went into the process of vetting.

It is apparently the most thorough process known for any person to enter any country that exists. It's not a year long process, it takes 18-24 months. These people need to meet, in person, with someone from homeland security, undergo extensive background checks by 19 different agencies, and are then placed under even greater scrutiny.

I will admit, I did not know this until today.

The problem is that many other people, including politicians, also don't know the process.

These people aren't floating around in camps or in the countryside; the Syrian refugees who are to be admitted have applied an average of 2.5 to 3 years ago. The one family that was deferred to Connecticut rather than Indiana due to Gov. Pence's actions had applied in 2011.

The 10,000 refugees, apparently, have already undergone thorough vetting and continue to do so.