So long, David Griffin

[Kovah]

Re: David Griffin?

Wasn't a fan of the Hawes move and that probably ends up being a negative, even if a small one.

I do like Blatt and am glad we conducted an extensive interview.

But I also share the OP's caution. I do not like that he came from within the organization when the organization itself seems to be a problem.

To me the Hawes move is positive. Not for the reasons you assume however, as I do not like Hawes and his lack of defense.

But rather it showed what our team can do with a big that can stretch the floor. I think that showed people a TT/Varejao front court will never work and if AB actually makes his jump this season our team will look totally different.

 

[gratefuldead]

Re: David Griffin?

griffin coaching search > grant coaching search

 

[OhioSlayer]

Re: David Griffin?

I think he has past his first test.

He fired Mike Brown.

 

[red.]

Re: David Griffin?

I'm curious why you're confused in the direction he's trying to take the team since, you know, he hasn't really done much of anything yet.

Just by what I read. I read he was going to try and go after Channing Frye. Just going by the things I read.

It might even be lies, but it just confuses me about the direction.

 

[mhi]

Re: David Griffin?

But rather it showed what our team can do with a big that can stretch the floor. I think that showed people a TT/Varejao front court will never work and if AB actually makes his jump this season our team will look totally different.

Showed people ? Anyone could have told you that fact without expending two draft picks.

 

[red.]

Re: David Griffin?

You don't like him because he came from within the organization?

So if the Cavs had hired him from, say, Houston, you would have been okay with it?

The main thing we have to go by so far is his coaching search. I think he did a great job, both in the process used (i.e., he didn't just call up his old college buddy and give him the job), and in the end result.

We'll know a lot more about him four days from now, and even more a month from now. Surely our opinions may change as more of the cards on the table get turned face up; but based on what we do know, I'm optimistic.

I just didn't want to continue to go in house when it really hasn't been working. I wanted him to interview other people and listen to what people think about the future of the Cavaliers.

I don't know much about Griffin except he's offensive minded.

 

[Kovah]

Re: David Griffin?

Showed people ? Anyone could have told you that fact without expending two draft picks.

No not anyone. The team played different with a big that consistently could hit his shots. If everyone was on board for that than AB would've played much more last season and I wouldn't have had to suffer through Tristan getting blocked 5 times a game.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Re: David Griffin?

I like Griffin and like what little he's done so far. He brought in Hawes for spacing, probably to prove his point that much of our current talent could play better when there were more valid threats on the perimeter. He was right to a point. They played at about the same winning clip as before, but were in more games and seemed to play more efficiently. I suspect they would have played much more efficiently with a coach that could work better with an offense.

More than the move, I like the philosophy. Griffin has stated that he has a plan - he has an idea what he's looking for in players and the type of roster he wants to build. He has stated that he wants an offense that pushes the ball down court, yet has also said he wants them to play tough D to go with it. He's hired a head coach that fits that philosophy. An offensive centered around ball movement with tough team defense to match.

Griffin is also well respected inside the NBA. Just because he worked under Grant does not mean that he IS Grant. From what I've read, Grant made several moves that Griffin probably disagreed with. In fact, I'd guess this is a reason why he was named as the interim GM. I doubt Griffin was the only guy in the front office who could have stepped in until the end of the season. I'd bet that Gilbert knew Griffin disagreed with Grant and gave him a chance. He then had Griffin develop and sell him a plan as part of the interview process for GM. Griffin was able to develop a plan that impressed Gilbert enough to hire him. It was no coincidence that Mike Brown was fired on the same day - Brown is not a guy Griffin would want as head coach.

Just because Griffin worked under Grant is no reason to dismiss him as a GM just as the same is true regarding Ray Farmer and Mike Lombardi. I think the Cavs and Browns both managed to bumble and stumble their ways into great coaching and GM situations. I LOVE the Blatt hire. I LOVE the Pettine hire. I felt Griffin deserved a shot. I was very happy when Ray Farmer was named GM after the coaching search. Hopefully Griffin is equally as impressive in his first draft as Farmer was in his.

 

[Plaxicofan7]

Re: David Griffin?

Just by what I read. I read he was going to try and go after Channing Frye. Just going by the things I read.

It might even be lies, but it just confuses me about the direction.

you said you know he is offensive minded, so how does him being interested in Channing Frye confuse you? lol

 

[red.]

Re: David Griffin?

I'm not sure why you are confused on David Griffin. You must of not liked the hire of David Blatt, that's why you are questioning him already.

No, I love the Blatt hire, but I don't really think it was Griffin pulling the strings on this one. I feel like he really wanted Gentry(sp) and was prolonging this interview. That's just my opinion.

Can you give some legitimate reason as why you don't like him? I don't really see any bad moves that he has made yet.

I never said I didn't like him. I wasn't fond of the hire, because he came from under grant. It's basically the same thing to me, and I just wanted someone else with a fresh mind to run the Cavs. Not someone that's been here and been around. The fact that Gilbert went behind his back to try and hire the Kentucky Coach proves he really don't have much faith either, again, IMO.

 

[OhioSlayer]

Re: David Griffin?

Just by what I read. I read he was going to try and go after Channing Frye. Just going by the things I read.

It might even be lies, but it just confuses me about the direction.

Frye is offensive. Griffin loves offensive players. Why does this confuse you?

 

[shoes22]

Re: David Griffin?

I'm reserving judgement until after i see what he does with the draft.

 

[kovanovich]

Re: David Griffin?

Griffin has earned some political capital and deserves some kudos for successfully executing a coaching search that presumably landed the guy he was after. And he did this despite the distractions that his boss (Gilbert) was providing by going over Griffin's head and conducting a parallel coaching search. It remains to be seen whether it turns out to be a good hire, though it looks good on paper.

It really is remarkable how different his philosophy is from Grant's. I am wondering why Grant hired him in the first place. I guess he did so to ensure the Cavs FO didn't just become a reflection of Grant's philosophy and to provide a different perspective.

I appreciate the fact that Griffin seems to want to modernize the Cavs' approach, with an emphasis on floor spacing, which should help two of the key guys they are building around in Irving and Waiters. I am a bit concerned that he is taking it a bit too far by targeting players like this Croatian PF (Rudez) who rebounds like a PG or Channing Frye who is notoriously soft. But nothing has happened yet, and it's premature to criticize.

All indications were that he was going to draft Embiid, and who knows maybe the Cavs still end up with him.

 

[red.]

Re: David Griffin?

you said you know he is offensive minded, so how does him being interested in Channing Frye confuse you? lol

Because we have Anthony Bennett, does he ring a bell? Frye is going to want starter minutes, and I feel we need to start actually developing the young players we have now!!

He was first #1 overall for a reason. Let's see what he can do without someone limiting his minutes.

 

[OhioSlayer]

Re: David Griffin?

No, I love the Blatt hire, but I don't really think it was Griffin pulling the strings on this one. I feel like he really wanted Gentry(sp) and was prolonging this interview. That's just my opinion.



I never said I didn't like him. I wasn't fond of the hire, because he came from under grant. It's basically the same thing to me, and I just wanted someone else with a fresh mind to run the Cavs. Not someone that's been here and been around. The fact that Gilbert went behind his back to try and hire the Kentucky Coach proves he really don't have much faith either, again, IMO.

I believe Griffin was pushing big time for Blatt and that's why we went with him. Also it was reported that Gilbert was trying that Coach Cal shit before Griffin was the GM. And remember Griffin didn't come from Grant. Just because he worked here a while when Grant was here doesn't mean shit.