Star Wars: The Force Awakens teaser #2

[spydy13]

Tatooine only has two suns IIRC? That's why the third one is weird.

Yeah, only two for Tatooine. I've seen someone suggest that maybe the three suns just suggest one sun setting or rising.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I agree with @gourimoko that it's all about perception. In Hitler's fucked up mind he thought he was the good guy trying to "purify" the master race. From most other people's point of view though he was fucking insane, but that shouldn't ignore that everyone thinks they're the hero of their story.

I also agree with gour that the Force itself isn't good or bad, it's just the way you decide to use it. As far as I understand it, the midiclorians are nanobot-like things that help you wield the force and there aren't good nanobots and bad nanobots, there's just nanobots.

That's not to say that there are not good and bad people that use the Force to do good or bad things. And that's also not to say that a good person that uses the "dark" side of the Force wouldn't eventually "fall" into the way of thinking that comes with using the "dark" side of the force, meaning that they are more prone to destruction/agression.

Another good way of thinking about this would be to say that the Bible, based on the way an individual interprets parts of it, could be used for good or bad. If you're more prone to the angry God of the OT then you'll be less accepting of others and have a more rigid way of thinking. If you're more prone to the nice God of the NT then you'll be more accepting of others and believe that there are more important things that than traditions of the OT (that's an oversimplification of the Bible, but you get the point). You could also a mix of these though and be a very charitable person that helps others, but also hates gays because the OT says you should.

Anyways, that just my two cents on the debate. @col63onel

Okay, gouri's on the other side of this. Didn't know that.

I'll just say that one problem with these kind of debates is that the "canon" can change, and there can be legitimate disagreements about what statements should be considered authoritative, and which aren't. And you can come to different conclusions depending on what you accept.

I've seen the six movies, and I think they make it fairly clear that there is something about using the Dark Side that is inherently corrupting. Not just because it's a bad choice, or because it shows you have a lust for power, because there are plenty of examples of people who had incredible power but did not use it for evil.

Something about using the Dark Side that actually changes you, like (as I said) the One Ring. Maybe like a drug that reduces some inhibitions, strengthens other aspects of the brain, induces a form of insanity, whatever. To me, that interpretation is the only one that makes sense in the context of Yoda's statements, and I think Yoda is the most authoritative source in the movies.

That being said, there's apparently a Wookiepedia and a bunch of other stuff (I know there were books as well), and maybe some of those have taken a different spin on it. Btw, I'm old enough to have seen Star Wars the very first showing the day it opened. Though my brother was the one who had to drive....

 

[theSwayze]

I love this thread so hard. Can it go back to gori and col6 teaching me the force? One of them must be Sith right?

 

[AustinCarr]

Edit: nevermind, I see you already discussed this upthread. I think you're right that they'll end up taking some of the best parts and scraping the rest, ensuring that everything canonical is to their vision. I can't wait to see what happens when George Lucas dies and they re-do eps 1-3 to make them not suck.

Just a heads up, but Disney reset the canon so nothing outside of Eps 1-6 and The Clone Wars show are canonical anymore. The old EU is now considered a "Legend." Everything moving forward though is canonical, including any movies, games, books, etc. that get released.

That Is a commonly quoted misconception. Not all new Star Wars media falls under "canon". Much of it will, but not all. I, for example, work on new content for a non-canon Star Wars game. There is nuance to what is and is not canon with new media. You can count on any film or new sanctioned books to be canon, however.

 

[col63onel]

I love this thread so hard. Can it go back to gori and col6 teaching me the force? One of them must be Sith right?

Whichever one of us dealing in absolutes is...

 

[spydy13]

That Is a commonly quoted misconception. Not all new Star Wars media falls under "canon". Much of it will, but not all. I, for example, work on new content for a non-canon Star Wars game. There is nuance to what is and is not canon with new media. You can count on any film or new sanctioned books to be canon, however.

Interesting. Why would they license the brand out and not have whatever it is fit into the cannon? Or is the game you work on already existing?

Edit: I see you live in Austin. Bioware has a branch in Austin. So it's SWTOR. Cool stuff.

I'm sure you know more, but I'm guessing it takes a long time to develop an MMO so it made more financial sense for Disney to continue a "non-canonical" game that they could relaunch in anticipation of the new movies than taking the time and money to build something that was a "canon" game.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Interesting. Why would they license the brand out and not have whatever it is fit into the cannon? Or is the game you work on already existing?

Edit: I see you live in Austin. Bioware has a branch in Austin. So it's SWTOR. Cool stuff.

I'm sure you know more, but I'm guessing it takes a long time to develop an MMO so it made more financial sense for Disney to continue a "non-canonical" game that they could relaunch in anticipation of the new movies than taking the time and money to build something that was a "canon" game.

For games, I think it almost makes more sense to not bother with having them be canon. It gives them license to do cooler thing and experiment with premises that they couldn't do otherwise. Plus, I couldn't really care less whether or not a Star Wars game is canon. I just want it to not suck.

 

[spydy13]

For games, I think it almost makes more sense to not bother with having them be canon. It gives them license to do cooler thing and experiment with premises that they couldn't do otherwise. Plus, I couldn't really care less whether or not a Star Wars game is canon. I just want it to not suck.

That's a good point. I just hope they focus on making good games and not do the money grabs that occurred during the prequel era. Finds developers you trust and have them make games based around stories they care about.

 

[Jack Brickman]

That's a good point. I just hope they focus on making good games and not do the money grabs that occurred during the prequel era. Finds developers you trust and have them make games based around stories they care about.

Well, they handed off Star Wars to EA, so small chance of that happening.

It's just a shame that the BioWare that made KOTOR doesn't exist any more. But that's what happens when you get bought by EA. You get slowly gutted as the bottom line and the release date becomes more important than the story or polish.

 

[MD13]

Well, they handed off Star Wars to EA, so small chance of that happening.

It's just a shame that the BioWare that made KOTOR doesn't exist any more. But that's what happens when you get bought by EA. You get slowly gutted as the bottom line and the release date becomes more important than the story or polish.

Completely off topic, but I still dont get why Dragon Age Inquisition is so beloved. Who cares how big the world is when it's incredibly empty and boring. I think some people even prefer it to the Witcher 3, which boggles my mind. The Witcher 3 is literally a better (and similar) game in every possible way.

Edit: and i say that as someone who has played almost every bioware game.

 

[spydy13]

Well, they handed off Star Wars to EA, so small chance of that happening.

It's just a shame that the BioWare that made KOTOR doesn't exist any more. But that's what happens when you get bought by EA. You get slowly gutted as the bottom line and the release date becomes more important than the story or polish.

Time will tell. Disney seems to be really into protecting the brand, so if EA makes a bunch of poop then I'm sure they'll go elsewhere. There aren't really a lot of other third party AAA publishers though, so I think we're stuck with this.

 

[Pioneer10]

Well, they handed off Star Wars to EA, so small chance of that happening.

It's just a shame that the BioWare that made KOTOR doesn't exist any more. But that's what happens when you get bought by EA. You get slowly gutted as the bottom line and the release date becomes more important than the story or polish.

Christ was that an awesome game. If there was gaming HOF KOTOR and the original dragon age would be at the top of the heap

If i was a really rich guy id try to get tahy group from Bioware and just start it over again

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[gourimoko]

Time will tell. Disney seems to be really into protecting the brand, so if EA makes a bunch of poop then I'm sure they'll go elsewhere. There aren't really a lot of other third party AAA publishers though, so I think we're stuck with this.

Difference between publishers and developers though.

The problems with EA are entirely due to EA, not really Disney. EA could hire a competent development studio to handle these games. Dev studios can also approach EA (happens all the time with other publishers).

This is more of an EA internal issue than one to do with Disney or the publishing market.

Thankfully, game makers are moving away from this paradigm as it is.

 

[gourimoko]

Christ was that an awesome game. If there was gaming HOF KOTOR and the original dragon age would be at the top of the heap

If i was a really rich guy id try to get tahy group from Bioware and just start it over again

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Great game. Definitely Top 10.. but I have to say KOTOR 2 was, IMHO, the better game overall once fixed, modded, and touched-up.

 

[Chris]

Story for kotor 2 never came close to the original though.