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Hahahahahahaha. I actually like the new trilogy. I know I'm in the minority, and I don't find it as good as the original trilogy, but I am entertained when I watch those episodes.

Yeah, I'm with you. IMO, there is a noticeable difference in quality between the two trilogies, but I don't get viscerally upset as some people do when they watch them.

I had the "complete saga" blu-ray and had the original trilogy SE DVD box-set, but have sold both recently (for $100) because the first is meaningless now (I got it when it first came out and everyone thought it was all over) that they are making more movies and the second is no longer a way I want to watch them.

If/when I re-buy them I'll probably just get that original trilogy blu-ray set and the other movies as the come along.
 
I personally liked The Empire Strikes Back better, but....

Frankly, the thing about the Ewoks is that it made me embarrassed to have watched the whole damn trilogy. What a fucking letdown. It turned a fairly cool space opera into a kiddie show, and I really hated that. Especially since I saw it when it came out, and experienced the entire gay as hell teddy bear dance in all its widescreen agony.

Why the fuck didn't he just make them wookies....

Just goes to show that Lucas had horrible ideas all along.
 
Just goes to show that Lucas had horrible ideas all along.

Jesus Christ man... :chuckle:

I mean.. how bad could some of those ideas possibly be?



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Jesus Christ man... :chuckle:

I mean.. how bad could some of those ideas possibly be?



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I especially hated his idea to create one of the most iconic movie franchises of all time....without any source material...then sell it and become a philanthropist.

People deservedly give him crap for the prequel. But even with those black marks, dude is still a freaking legend.
 
I especially hated his idea to create one of the most iconic movie franchises of all time....without any source material...then sell it and become a philanthropist.

People deservedly give him crap for the prequel. But even with those black marks, dude is still a freaking legend.

I think the argument to be made here is that Lucas was great when he had people around to tell him when his ideas were fucking dumb. He's had some great ideas and some utterly awful ideas. The prequels are entirely the latter (see also: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull), but it's no secret that he had to be talked out of some really terrible ideas in the original trilogy as well.
 
I think the argument to be made here is that Lucas was great when he had people around to tell him when his ideas were fucking dumb. He's had some great ideas and some utterly awful ideas. The prequels are entirely the latter (see also: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull), but it's no secret that he had to be talked out of some really terrible ideas in the original trilogy as well.
Absolutely.

My favorite story from the original trilogy is Harrison Ford saying, "You can write this sh!t but you sure as hell can't say it" about Lucas' dialogues.

I just hate it when people try and degrade all of his work because of the prequels.
 
I honestly forgot about the Ewoks a little bit. I haven't watched the OT in a long ass time. Ugh. They were so awful. Tarnished what was an otherwise fantastic finish to the OT.

The addition of the Vader "NOOOOOO!" to the new versions they released was just such an obvious troll on Lucas' part. Come on.
 
I think the argument to be made here is that Lucas was great when he had people around to tell him when his ideas were fucking dumb.

He's never been in a position or accepted any position where he didn't have final creative say. It's why he quit the Disney Ep. VII production. I don't think he knows how to handle it, honestly. The only reason I think he allowed Kershner to direct with his own creative vision is because he respected him, but it's obvious now that he differed with the direction he took the film.

Keep in mind, he still produced and managed Empire and ROTJ. He had the least amount of input in Empire, due to some health concerns as well as taking into consideration critical input from his cast (particularly Ford). That film was the one that had a majority of it's direction and script handled by others, like Kasdan, Kershner and Brackett. Although Lucas did write the overall story for both films, so he definitely deserves tremendous credit.

The difference between Empire and A New Hope is simply directorial style. Kershner wanted a more serious, darker movie, to appeal to an adult audience. Lucas wanted a family friendly movie for all ages. You can see how ROTJ tries to be both simultaneously.

Also, keep in mind, Lucas has said on more than one occasion that Empire Strikes Back is the worst of all 6 films. So that tells you what he thinks about my favorite Star Wars movie.

He's had some great ideas and some utterly awful ideas. The prequels are entirely the latter (see also: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull), but it's no secret that he had to be talked out of some really terrible ideas in the original trilogy as well.

Indeed, but again, he was in final creative control. He chose to collaborate with people that he had some personal relationship with and with whom he trusted.

Now, the prequels were all him, and I totally agree with you there; he fucked up. He should have had more creative minds in the process. But he was disappointed with Empire's tone and direction and didn't want a repeat of that. He has made his disappointment with Ep.5 and to a lesser extent Ep.6 known for some time.

So again, that is the vision of Star Wars that he has, and frankly, it's just as valid if not more, than that of some fans.
 
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The addition of the Vader "NOOOOOO!" to the new versions they released was just such an obvious troll on Lucas' part. Come on.

Huh? Where is this?
 
It's funny because I really think this has honestly never been the case. He's never been in a position or accepted any position where he didn't have final creative say. It's why he quit the Disney Ep. VII production.
There's a book called "How Star Wars Conquered the Universe". It's a basic behind the scenes book. I believe one of the things it details was how people like Harrison Ford and Lawrence Kasdan would "make suggestions" for Lucas to change, whereas the prequels were just a bunch of yes-men. It's in my reading queue and I plan to get to it before TFA comes out, so I don't know any of the specifics.
 
Any recommendations for expanded universe novels (or whatever it is called) to read? The only one I've read is Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter and loved it. Maul was a character without much of a backstory and I loved learning about it.

I'm really reading either to find out background of characters the movies don't do a good job of describing (Maul, Vader between movies 3-4, etc.), entertaining stories with good character development, and/or background for the new movie. So any recommendations for individual books or series would be much appreciated.
 
There's a book called "How Star Wars Conquered the Universe". It's a basic behind the scenes book. I believe one of the things it details was how people like Harrison Ford and Lawrence Kasdan would "make suggestions" for Lucas to change, whereas the prequels were just a bunch of yes-men. It's in my reading queue and I plan to get to it before TFA comes out, so I don't know any of the specifics.

Indeed, I'm actually familiar with what you're talking about.

What's most interesting to me is that Lucas was so disappointed with Empire that he cited it as the worst of not only the trilogy, but all six films combined.

I find that astonishing, but it really reveals how much this movie and portrayal of the Star Wars universe differed from his own vision.
 

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