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I admit I am strawmanning a tad. I just find odd that you love a movie riddled with plot holes but then can make sweeping judgements about people who like a popular director.

Because Interstellar wasn't riddled with plot holes; that's why I spent like 15 posts explaining the physics behind the movie.

It's the first film to seriously describe the truly incredible nature of general relativity.

What plot holes did you feel ruined the experience for you?
 
I doubt it, only because of the fact that he got called out on it so hard for how hilariously overdone they were in the past, and said he wouldn't repeat that same mistake.

But I definitely expect some, sure.



...What?

I don't see how that responds to what I said. X just had an issue with shiny, dirty things on screen. A New Hope was basically filled with shiny dirty things on screen. Just wondering what makes that bad for Abrams to use, considering that is part of the visual language of the original films.

I read a funny thing about the Star Trek flare thing. JJ was confronted by a friend after he signed on to do Star Wars- the friend made him sit and watch Star Trek into Darkness and account the lens flare usage. JJ admitted to being embarrassed and feeling like he has lost track of that effect the movie and promised that Star Wars would benefit from the lesson. I don't have any interest in debating JJ and the new SW movie but it's worth acknowledging that people are capable of growth.
 
Because Interstellar wasn't riddled with plot holes; that's why I spent like 15 posts explaining the physics behind the movie.

It's the first film to seriously describe the truly incredible nature of general relativity.

What plot holes did you feel ruined the experience for you?
Besides basic time travel paradoxes?

How about how they decide to go out on foot on the relativity planet, rather than let the super robot, who could have done what they did in a quarter of the time, do it for them? Scientists who know that wasting seconds means wasting years, but decide to waste time not using the super efficient robot. Clearly done because they someone needed to make the plot move about 30 years.

Or the fact that he can program morse code into a watch?

Or surviving a black hole?
 
Fucking +1.... This guy is the worst. And the trailers really seem to show the same shit we've seen from him in previous movies.. Marketable movies filled with trailer bait and have next to zero real substance.

I mean, this movie can't possible be any worse than any of the three prequels. Just by making it mildly entertaining, not written on a cocktail napkin over a weekend in Vegas, and not packed to the brim with retarded amounts of CGI will mean it's significantly better than anything Lucas has touched in twenty years. Personally, I thought Abrams was a terrible choice for Star Trek, but he's a decent enough choice for Star Wars. I would have preferred Whedon, as Serenity was the movie the Star Wars prequels should have been, but he's busy making ungodly amounts of money for Marvel.

I think we all need to remember that Lucas killed Star Wars himself a decade ago. Anything Abrams does can really only be considered an improvement at this point. The prequels were three of the worst movies I've ever seen. And personally, I felt that Abrams' Star Trek movies felt a lot like decent Star Wars movies, so I can see why they picked him.
 
Don't get gouri started on JJ Abrams. He hates him as much as he worships Nolan. It isn;t worth the hassle.

Just saw this and thought I'd clarify..

I'm not a Nolan worshipper, but I do think he's the best director in Hollywood right now.

But as far as his previous work, I loved Memento, The Prestige, Dark Knight, Inception and Interstellar.

The Prestige and TDK would be a 9/10s for me; Inception and Interstellar were easily 10/10's.

But unlike many Nolan fans, I didn't really care for Batman Begins, or TDKR. I actually ripped Nolan for Returns as I thought the movie crashed in the second act, and the third act was just a joke.

Somewhere in the middle would be Insomnia and The Following...

But I'm definitely not a Nolan fanboy.
 
I mean, the trailer got me pumped up......

Besides I'll take new Star Wars in any form if it means more music from John fucking Williams.
 
Besides basic time travel paradoxes?

Liiike?

You realize that in GR and most quantum gravity theories, time is not always a single dimension and does not necessary move in a single direction?

But do you care to elaborate? Because I've been over all of this, so I have no problem going over them again. ;)

How about how they decide to go out on foot on the relativity planet, rather than let the super robot, who could have done what they did in a quarter of the time, do it for them?

You mean how we landed on the Moon in 1969, when we could've just sent a rover with a radio transceiver?

Scientists who know that wasting seconds means wasting years, but decide to waste time not using the super efficient robot. Clearly done because they someone needed to make the plot move about 30 years.

That's your plot hole? They should've trusted the fate of humanity with a robot who Cooper clearly states is not as reliable as one might hope for in the beginning of the film?

Or the fact that he can program morse code into a watch?

I'm not sure I understand how this is a "plot hole?"

You're saying that if you can affect gravity, you couldn't ping the second hand of a watch?

Or surviving a black hole?

Col63onel, if you fell into the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy; you would not die until you reached the theoretical singularity - and even then you might not die.

You're making the false assumption that he would have been either torn apart by tidal forces due to the immense variation in gravity between points along his body or crushed by the singularity.

They explain, correctly, that Gargantua is a supermassive, rotating black hole. Meaning that there are no appreciable tidal forces between the event horizon and the singularity, and that there is no central point where someone would be crushed.

The Gargantua black hole was simply another mouth to the wormhole in our solar system. That's why he ended up when and where he did at the end of the film.
 
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Jack, reading your post, I don't really disagree with you overall, but I thought I'd point a few things out..

I mean, this movie can't possible be any worse than any of the three prequels.

Sure it can..

I'd rather watch the prequels, which sucked, than anything Abrams has ever directed.. and again, that says a lot.

Just by making it mildly entertaining, not written on a cocktail napkin over a weekend in Vegas, and not packed to the brim with retarded amounts of CGI will mean it's significantly better than anything Lucas has touched in twenty years.

Which isn't saying much.

Personally, I thought Abrams was a terrible choice for Star Trek, but he's a decent enough choice for Star Wars.

Just don't understand why?

I would have preferred Whedon, as Serenity was the movie the Star Wars prequels should have been,

I've watched Firefly and Serenity, but I'm not sure what you mean by this.

but he's busy making ungodly amounts of money for Marvel.

I guess... I mean, Avengers was cool, but it's not the style of movie I would want for a Star Wars / Star Trek film.

I think we all need to remember that Lucas killed Star Wars himself a decade ago. Anything Abrams does can really only be considered an improvement at this point.

Again, I don't see how.

The prequels were three of the worst movies I've ever seen.

You should see some more movies then... There are blockbusters that come out regularly that make hundreds of millions of dollars that are remarkably worse.

And personally, I felt that Abrams' Star Trek movies felt a lot like decent Star Wars movies, so I can see why they picked him.

I thought his Star Trek movies were awful, and would have been equally bad as Star Wars films. I'm a Trekker as well, so again, I get where X and many others are coming from.
 
I'd rather watch the prequels, which sucked, than anything Abrams has ever directed.. and again, that says a lot.

I mean, no offense, but if that's the case, you clearly have a vendetta against Abrams and hate him unfairly. Everything he's done is miles better than the Star Wars prequels. They were fucking garbage. Three of the worst movies ever made. You couldn't pay me to rewatch them at this point. I just pretend they don't exist. They were that bad.

Abrams, on the other hand, has made largely mediocre but watchable films. That's a vast improvement over anything Lucas has done in twenty years. Literally everything Lucas has touched since the nineties has turned to shit. He ruined both Star Wars and Indiana Jones with his awful writing and terrible ideas.
 
Fucking +1.... This guy is the worst. And the trailers really seem to show the same shit we've seen from him in previous movies.. Marketable movies filled with trailer bait and have next to zero real substance.

The guy makes popcorn films. That's what Star Wars is and always will be, and he is perfect for it.

I can see why trekkies hated his movies because he tried to turn Star Trek into Star Wars, and as far as I understand it (I've never watched) that series has always been more hard sci-fi than the giant space opera that is Star Wars.

I won't fault you on him being all about marketing though because he obviously has turned himself into a brand in the TV world.

Edit: As you pointed out earlier @gourimoko all this shit is subjective. I disagree on the greatness of Interstellar, but I understand how others could be so passionate (my dad is one of them) and I do actually want to give it a second viewing.

As far as Star Wars I was somewhat worried about Abrams coming in, but everything I've seen so far has me excited because it seems like he has learned from the mistakes he made on Star Trek. It's amazing that we are going to jump back into that world on a regular basis after it looked like it was all over after the prequels. I hope the look changes from film to film and that each director gets to put their own vision into that world. I think that some really awesome stuff will come out of that.
 
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The Star Wars movies have become event movies. LucasFilms brought in someone they felt could deliver an event. I'll hold out judgement until I see it for myself to see if Abrams learned lessons in regards to Star Trek as mentioned up thread. I know not to expect this to be an award nominated film, I'll be going to see it just for the pure entertainment, much the way I did 30+ yrs ago.
 
I mean, no offense, but if that's the case, you clearly have a vendetta against Abrams and hate him unfairly.

Clearly, huh? Lol... I simply must have a bias right?

Look, I don't "hate" him.. I just feel his work is really terrible, and I don't think that's a remarkably unpopular opinion.

Everything he's done is miles better than the Star Wars prequels.

Nonsense. The Star Trek movies were unwatchable they were so bad. Super 8 was mediocre and on par with Ep. 2 and 3, in my opinion.

But maybe you see things differently than I do.

They were fucking garbage.

They were terrible; just as Abrams' films are also terrible.

Three of the worst movies ever made.

See, I think this is the disconnect. To say that the prequels are worse than say, Fast and Furious, I think really calls into question how you're judging these films.

You couldn't pay me to rewatch them at this point. I just pretend they don't exist. They were that bad.

I get it... I think I can speak for most Trekkies when I say that's how bad the Star Trek films were. But even those shitty movies weren't "the worst movies ever," and you say I must "hate" Abrams, right?

Abrams, on the other hand, has made largely mediocre but watchable films.

You're not saying much here... lol. And watchability is largely subjective and debateable. I'd say the degree of shit Abrams' gets about the Star Trek movies and Super 8 might not really support your point.

That's a vast improvement over anything Lucas has done in twenty years.

Again, I disagree. Both of these guys are bad directors.

Literally everything Lucas has touched since the nineties has turned to shit. He ruined both Star Wars and Indiana Jones with his awful writing and terrible ideas.

I totally agree, but this doesn't say anything about how good Abrams is supposed to be.
 
Nonsense. The Star Trek movies were unwatchable they were so bad. Super 8 was mediocre and on par with Ep. 2 and 3, in my opinion.

But maybe you see things differently than I do.

See, I think this is your bias as a Star Trek fan showing through. And I totally agree. As Star Trek movies, Abrams' films were pretty awful. They weren't in the spirit of Star Trek at all. However, I've never been a Star Trek fan, and I found them to be fairly entertaining action movies. That's the key difference, to me. I can see why, as a Star Trek fan, you didn't like them, but to call them unwatchable is a huge stretch to me. They were fun action movies, and entirely watchable.

See, I think this is the disconnect. To say that the prequels are worse than say, Fast and Furious, I think really calls into question how you're judging these films.

I'd much rather watch the Fast and Furious movies (well, except Tokyo Drift...) than the Star Wars prequels any day. The Furious movies know what they are: dumb action movies, and they've proven that by getting increasingly dumber and more ridiculous. They're trying to be dumb fun and succeeding pretty brilliantly, in my opinion.

The Star Wars prequels, on the other hand, showed that Lucas had no idea what the original Star Wars movie were all about, which is ironic considering he (obviously) made those too. He ripped the heart out of Star Wars and replaced it with consumerism. The whole point of those movies was shoving as much shit on screen as possible so he could turn it into toys. He put no thought into the actual plots of the films, which is why they don't make any sense, and instead focused on ridiculous CGI fights that were so cluttered and absurd that they weren't even fun to watch. That's not and never been what Star Wars has been about.

I get it... I think I can speak for most Trekkies when I say that's how bad the Star Trek films were. But even those shitty movies weren't "the worst movies ever," and you say I must "hate" Abrams, right?

Perhaps I should have phrased that as three of the worst movies I've ever seen. Are there worse movies? Undoubtedly. I've even seen a couple. But even generic summer action blockbusters tend to be more enjoyable than the Star Wars prequels to me. I'd rather watch Michael Bay's latest summer shitfest than go back and watch George Lucas destroy one of my favorite childhood franchises. Although my preference would be to watch neither, obviously.

And honestly, if I think a movie looks like it's going to suck, I won't see it. Aside from that, I'm really more into TV shows now than films anyway. I prefer the long stories that television shows can tell over the course of multiple years over a two hour film. That's not to say I don't watch movies or enjoy them, but I watch a hell of a lot more TV these days. Give me Justified, Game of Thrones, Daredevil, The Americans, etc. over the majority of movies that are coming out this year.

You're not saying much here... lol. And watchability is largely subjective and debateable. I'd say the degree of shit Abrams' gets about the Star Trek movies and Super 8 might not really support your point.

Eh...successful directors always get a lot of hate, especially when a guy does an adaptation fanboys consider inappropriate like Abrams and Star Trek. I've already made my opinion on Star Trek clear, though. We'll have to agree to disagree since you're a fan and I'm not. Obviously we won't agree on how it was adapted, although I do see your point of view here and agree that, if I were a fan of Star Trek, I probably would have hated Abrams' version.

Again, I disagree. Both of these guys are bad directors.

I'd probably lump Abrams in the mediocre category. I think there are plenty of worse directors out there. Lucas, though? Jesus, he's been awful for decades now.

And I'm not really defending Abrams here. I think he's a decent director. Nothing special, but he makes marketable films, and that's clearly what Disney was looking for in their Star Wars relaunch.
 
Just saw this and thought I'd clarify..

I'm not a Nolan worshipper, but I do think he's the best director in Hollywood right now.

But as far as his previous work, I loved Memento, The Prestige, Dark Knight, Inception and Interstellar.

The Prestige and TDK would be a 9/10s for me; Inception and Interstellar were easily 10/10's.

But unlike many Nolan fans, I didn't really care for Batman Begins, or TDKR. I actually ripped Nolan for Returns as I thought the movie crashed in the second act, and the third act was just a joke.

Somewhere in the middle would be Insomnia and The Following...

But I'm definitely not a Nolan fanboy.
My Nolan rankings

TDK
Inception
Memento
Prestige
Following
Begins
Interstellar
TDKR
Insomnia
 
Liiike?

You realize that in GR and most quantum gravity theories, time is not always a single dimension and does not necessary move in a single direction?

But do you care to elaborate? Because I've been over all of this, so I have no problem going over them again. ;)


You mean how we landed on the Moon in 1969, when we could've just sent a rover with a radio transceiver?

That's your plot hole? They should've trusted the fate of humanity with a robot who Cooper clearly states is not as reliable as one might hope for in the beginning of the film?

No, rather than slowly wading through water, they should've had the robot carry Anne Hathaway to the debris. Later in that very same scene, they show the robot carrying AH way faster than she walked. Carrying her out there would've saved at least a couple minutes (in that planets time, so months in Earth time), plus they get off the planet before the waves flood the engine, saving how many ever years.
 

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