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Discussion in 'RCF Politics' started by King Stannis, Feb 26, 2018.

  1. King Stannis

    King Stannis The One True King

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    He is Left-Wing?
     
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    macbdog Resident Luddite

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    He's all over the place. Called himself an 'eco-fascist', said he is turned off by conservatism, and stated he aligns politically and ideologically with China. Stated he isn't Christian. He also makes the Brevik comments, wrote '14 words' on his weapons, etc. I think he doesn't fit nicely into any short definition of blame that people want to put on him.
     
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  3. King Stannis

    King Stannis The One True King

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    Having read the "Manifesto," and really he did not put much effort into it, his musings in what he would preferred to be labelled, and what he seems to like, are indeed all over. But, his musings are all overridden by the very very strong Ethno-Nationalist framework he used to justify his actions.

    So while he doesn't come out and say he is a fascist, though he used to be one, and he says he admires Commie China the most of any nation, he clearly was operating in the name of, and boy did he excite some folks at Stormfront today, the pretty standard White Nationalist and European Chauvinistic outlook.

    So the real question is can you greatly indulge in the foremost act of White Supremacy and not be on the Far Right?

    @gourimoko
     
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    kosis Creeping like Sharia

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    And here we go with the hand signal "trolling" again...

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  5. bcort

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    Interesting person to ask...


    But let's rephrase. What makes a white supremacist right wing, ideologically?
     
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    King Stannis The One True King

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    @gourimoko is great for a thorough explanation that usually discusses both sides of the issue. I'm not willing to write a novel most of the time. :p:p:p

    But you ask a good question.

    "What makes a white supremacist right wing, ideologically?"

    The answer is simple in terms of classification, regimes and parties that have made White Supremacy a major plank in their governing structure or ideology have exclusively been Conservative in the extreme in name and practice, but it begs the question whether it is an ideology in itself, divorced from the historical baggage, or indivisible from it.

    Although that doesn't mean because it is a Right-Wing phenomenon it is part and parcel. Virtually every Western culture considers White Supremacists, or ethnic chauvinists, as the far right fringe well separated from mainstream Conservatism.

    And its also brings into question whether racism between non-White people, in general, is ideologically the same thing. Burma for example.

    What do you think?
     
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  7. bcort

    bcort Sixth Man

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    Only when you look at his political beliefs... So... Yes.
     
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    AZ_ Hall-of-Famer

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    He admired China, their intolerance.

    As such, the Fox News Newtork has been unbearably trying to spin him as some sort of leftist to shift the attention away from his actual words and writings.
     
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    AZ_ Hall-of-Famer

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    Per the shooter’s email:

     
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    King Stannis The One True King

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    Read his tome.

    To draw that conclusion is dubious at best.

    He had many more than 14 words, but "Co-Exist" was not among them.
     
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    Mr. Orange Back from the dead

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    This is a really important post. That Parkland shooter was essentially ignored. And who knows about this guy. There are breeding grounds online radicalizing outcast, failed to launch, white men in western countries. They can't take responsibility for their individual failings so try to blame minorities. We need to be on high alert and take these threats seriously.

    I think it's time for these online breeding grounds to be shut down as well. Just like you would ban ISIS Twitter accounts. These white nationalist places gots to go.
     
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    CleveRocks There go the Cavs!

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    So this guy was a racist for certain.. that does not make him right or left. Just a sick individual. Anyone who justifies mass murder in any terms is not a Christian, nor a Muslim nor a Jew. He or she is evil embodied..

    It is clear his goal was to create global chaos. He chose the weapons, location and target y his own admission to divide people and set them against each other. He says specifically he wanted to "balkanize " America over the second amendment..

    I dont know how he came to these ideas, but i doubt they are his own entirely. This is not a political thing, this is a threat to all political structures. Leveraging it for political gain is exactly what this guy wanted people to do, and sadly some on the public stage just cant help themselves.

    Here in RCF, i hope we can find that restraint, and come together on the condemnation of this act, and empathy for the victims.. That is how you fight this shit.
     
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    AZ_ Hall-of-Famer

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    He explained quite clearly that it was political.

    And while we all certainly condemn this act, I’m equally hopeful that all of RCF can adequately denounce the people who have inspired him to commit these acts.

    Just as we condemn the recruitment structure of other fundamentalist networks who both directly and indirectly call for violence against those who don’t share their political beliefs.
     
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    Mr. Orange Back from the dead

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    Stop calling these people merely sick individuals (which they undoubtedly are). These are not lone wolfs. It's a loose network. They have been radicalized by online propaganda and forums. NZ, Parkland, Dylan Roof, Pittsburgh. They all have ties to hate groups online.

    I've been saying it for over a year and it's finally catching on on the mainstream. This is White ISIS. ISIS and this White Nationalist movement are eerily similar.

    Here a CNN panelist uses the "White ISIS" term.

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...w-zealand-reaction-sot-wajahat-ali-nr-vpx.cnn
     
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