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The #1 and #4 Picks Taken Together Have Rarely Disappointed

Discussion in 'Cavs Talk' started by Baseline Runner, May 20, 2011.

  1. Baseline Runner

    Baseline Runner In the Rotation

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    The draft is usually a bit of a crap shoot for every team in it, but in our case, this may not be true, even in a supposedly weak draft (which I don't really buy, depth wise maybe but not at the top). If you look at the history of the number one and the number four picks in the last twenty years, there has rarely ever been a bust in both of those picks, and often times there was a franchise player or two quality stars.

    2010 -#1 John Wall, #4 Wesley Johnson
    2009 - #1 Blake Griffin, #4 Tyreke Evans
    2008 - #1 Derrick Rose, #4 Russel Westbrook
    2007 - #1 Greg Oden, #4 Mike Conley
    2006 - #1 Andre Bargnani, #4 Tyrus Thomas
    2005 - #1 Andrew Bogut, #4 Chris Paul
    2004 - #1 Dwight Howard, #4 Shaun Livingston
    2003 - #1 Lebron James, #4 Chris Bosh
    2002 - #1 Yao Ming, #4 Drew Gooden
    2001 - #1 Kwame Brown, #4 Eddy Curry
    2000 - #1 Kenyon Martin, #4 Marcus Fizer
    1999 - #1 Elton Brand, #4 Lamar Odom
    1998 - #1 Michael Olowakandi, #4 Antawn Jamison
    1997 - #1 Tim Duncan, #4 Antonio Daniels
    1996 - #1 Allen Iverson, #4 Stephon Marbury
    1995- #1 Joe Smith, #4 Rasheed Wallace
    1994 - #1 Glenn Robinson, #4 Donyel Marshall
    1993 - #1 Chris Webber, #4 Jamaal Mashburn
    1992 - #1 Shaquille Oneal, #4 Jimmy Jackson
    1991 - #1 Larry Johnson, #4 Dikembe Mutombo
    1990 - #1 Derrick Coleman, #4 Dennis Scott

    Even the worst ones, 2007, 2006, 2000, 1998, 1994 still got a decent player. The only one that was a total stinker 2001. Many of these years you would have either gotten a franchise player like Shaq, Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson, Chris Paul, Dwight, or you would have gotten two very good players like LJ and Dikembe, Coleman and Scott, Brand and Odom, Joe Smith and Rasheed Wallace, Derrick Rose and Westbrook. Just taking these two picks in many of these years you have the building blocks to construct a team. We are in a very enviable position.
     
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  2. Earl

    Earl Situational Stopper

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    These threads are pointless. How in any way does this affect the guys that we will be drafting?
     
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  3. Snarly

    Snarly Count Duckula.

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    Well It shows the potential Picks we have with a history lesson. While not defending the post It Is Interesting to see for those who are not Nerds of basketball. I find It interesting we could have a wade/Bosh Combo In Irving and Kanter. Hopefully we do not get the... ::gulp:: the Kwame/Curry combo :eek:

    P.S I know Bron and Bosh were the one and four pick... yet I see Irving as a top player like Wade Is along with LeBron to me they both are equally as good as their skills size and handicaps let them be.
     
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    It must be noted, too, that the picks are owned by the same team.. I particularly am skeptical of this line of thinking because much of the time it was the top 2 guards/forwards picked at 1 and 4. The Cavs won't be picking two players at the same position, so those years must be counted out (2008, 2006, 1999, 1998, 1996, 1995, and 1994 being nice about it).

    Now you're left with samples of 10 years that can actually be indicative of a plan the Cavs would mimic and have it turn out successful. My only point is it must be noted that the Cavs, likely to pick Irving with the first pick, wouldn't have a chance to hit with a second PG because we simply wouldn't pick one. Similarly, good chance that Williams or Kanter would be good, but there is virtually no chance we take both of them, even if they both are sitting there at 1 and 4.
     
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    I hope we end up with players like '09 (Blake and Tyreke) and '05 (Bogut and Paul)
     
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  6. Baseline Runner

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    It is almost unprecedented that a team has two top picks like this, especially with having the first pick as the first pick is quite a bit more valuable than the second or third for obvious reasons (other than a few huge whiffs like Kandiman and Kwami Brown, it has delivered more franchise players than any other pick) . I can't ever think of a time when a team has had such a great position as we do in this draft. It is a huge opportunity to quickly turn around the fortunes of this franchise.
     
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    There's a big possibility.
     
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    These threads are pointless. Every draft is different. Rules change, players change and NBA basketball itself has changed.
     
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    Lol then why comment
     
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    Douglar Intentionally Grounded Staff Member

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    Those two disappointed on the court, but they did play into some pretty valuable trades for Washington (Caron Butler) and Chicago ( 2 unprotected first round picks)
     
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    Right, I hope we land Irving and Kanter unless Williams is at #4
     
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    BREAKING: Having the 1st and 4th picks should get the Cavs two good players.
     
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    Lee Established Since 2005

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    Give the OP a break, I like that he atleast put out the last 20+ years for us of the 1st and 4th pick. The 4th pick turned out to be atleast a decent player more often than I would have thought. Makes me even more excited.
     
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  15. chiefwahoo

    chiefwahoo Skating into the draft

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    Yeah yeah, I know it doesn't matter or pertain to the 2011 NBA draft one bit, but... the last team with 2 picks in top the top 4 was the 1983 Rockets who selected Ralph Sampson & Rodney McCray. They went on to the Finals three years later.
     
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    Lee Established Since 2005

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    Ralph Sampson was insanely talented. I wish he had knees.
     
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    IWantAKouki Kouki, Not Cookie.

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    No offense to the TC or anything, but I can't stand it when people compare a draft pick number to previous years.

    The 4th pick in X draft might be as good as a drafting position as the 7th pick in Y draft and the 2nd pick in Z draft and etc etc etc.

    Of course it's way worse when people compare like the 54th pick to years' past.
     
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    u asked for it

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