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It just feels like with the SP we have and only 4.5 games separating us and the top wild card teams that we should be able to crank this thing up. And if that means trading some prospects for a true middle of the order slugger, than do it.
 
What would it take to get someone like Cole Hamels?
 
I'd like Johnny Queto. Talk about a kick ass starting 5? We need to win 2 of 3 this weekend and 2 of 3 against Detroit next week first. I doubt we try to acquire both a hitter and a SP, but I'd sure love a SP like Queto for the stretch.
 
Juice Is Loose said:
What would it take to get someone like Cole Hamels?
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Bunch of prospects. Hamels is still on the Phillies bc Ruben Amaro has asked for a random and hasn't gotten it. Probably would want Lindor +. A lot of this teams minors talent is still low in the system, so it will take more of them to make a deal of you sub out Lindor. Frankly I don't think we have the pitching talent that Amaro would want unless we start talking Salazar or Bauer.

Thing is, this club doesn't need Hamels. They need a reliable 5th starter. They need bullpen arms. They need a 3b and/or SS until proven otherwise. Possibly a CF. Ravaging the system for a starter is pretty superfluous.
 
macbdog said:
Bunch of prospects. Hamels is still on the Phillies bc Ruben Amaro has asked for a random and hasn't gotten it. Probably would want Lindor +. A lot of this teams minors talent is still low in the system, so it will take more of them to make a deal of you sub out Lindor. Frankly I don't think we have the pitching talent that Amaro would want unless we start talking Salazar or Bauer.

Thing is, this club doesn't need Hamels. They need a reliable 5th starter. They need bullpen arms. They need a 3b and/or SS until proven otherwise. Possibly a CF. Ravaging the system for a starter is pretty superfluous.
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I think Kazmir would be a decent and realistic option. Familiar with the organization, in the last year of his contract and he's a lefty.

Zobrist could be another guy that we could shuffle around the lineup and find every day AB's for. I think the price will be out of the Indians price range for a rental though....
 
DougHeil said:
I'd like Johnny Queto. Talk about a kick ass starting 5? We need to win 2 of 3 this weekend and 2 of 3 against Detroit next week first. I doubt we try to acquire both a hitter and a SP, but I'd sure love a SP like Queto for the stretch.
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Cueto
 
Yeah shit. Don't know why I insist on spelling it with a Q.

Tigers are going to go after him anyway. So are the Yankees.

BTW: I'm really starting to dislike Carlos Santana.
 
We're struggling, but at least we aren't Diamondbacks fans...they just traded their 1st round pick from a year ago, Touki Toussaint, in order to clear Bronson Arroyo's contract.
 
BimboColesHair said:
We're struggling, but at least we aren't Diamondbacks fans...they just traded their 1st round pick from a year ago, Touki Toussaint, in order to clear Bronson Arroyo's contract.
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While I don't totally understand the trade from the Diamondback's perspective- yes it saves money but why- I don't see this as a ' slam dunk' for the Braves. Arroyo is probably useless, his recovery from TJ has been slow. The Braves essentially just paid 14 million in big league payroll to buy Toussaint. The Tribe just bought a better prospect in Aiken for 2.5-3m. I'm just not seeing Toussaint as being the kind of prospect worth that. Has looked solid but is certainly not in the Aiken/Feller fast track. I think at best he profiles as a Chris Archer- and it took Archer 5 years and another trade to materialize into a valuable big leaguer. Dunno, time will tell, but that price seems steep to me.
 
macbdog said:
While I don't totally understand the trade from the Diamondback's perspective- yes it saves money but why- I don't see this as a ' slam dunk' for the Braves. Arroyo is probably useless, his recovery from TJ has been slow. The Braves essentially just paid 14 million in big league payroll to buy Toussaint. The Tribe just bought a better prospect in Aiken for 2.5-3m. I'm just not seeing Toussaint as being the kind of prospect worth that. Has looked solid but is certainly not in the Aiken/Feller fast track. I think at best he profiles as a Chris Archer- and it took Archer 5 years and another trade to materialize into a valuable big leaguer. Dunno, time will tell, but that price seems steep to me.
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Yeah, the comparison of a guy who was DRAFTED to a guy who was given up to clear salary makes no sense to me.

And anytime you are rebuilding in any sport, its a major slam dunk when you get a talented teenager for literally taking on money and giving no talent of your own back. Baseball is hard to gauge trades because most of them are for prospects and so many of them miss, but increasing your odds for a few million dollars? This was a slam dunk for the Braves. Oh, and they didn't pay 14 million for it, more like 9...you're not taking into account money Arizona has already paid Arroyo this year. I'll just let these do the talking for how bad of a trade it was:

View: https://twitter.com/keithlaw/status/612471913609347072

View: https://twitter.com/keithlaw/status/612475657117925379
 
It wasn't a few million dollars though. It is at least 9.5 million of big league payroll. How much did the Tribe spend on the draft and international players combined last year? This money for the Braves is coming at the cost of something, and that something is the big league payroll. ' just spend whatever' is not an intelligent mantra for a big league team.

How about this: what if the Tribe, assuming this team was contending like the Braves, chose to use 9m in payroll to buy 1 prospect instead of adding a bat to the lineup? How would that fly?
 
macbdog said:
It wasn't a few million dollars though. It is at least 9.5 million of big league payroll. How much did the Tribe spend on the draft and international players combined last year? This money for the Braves is coming at the cost of something, and that something is the big league payroll. ' just spend whatever' is not an intelligent mantra for a big league team.

How about this: what if the Tribe, assuming this team was contending like the Braves, chose to use 9m in payroll to buy 1 prospect instead of adding a bat to the lineup? How would that fly?
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The Braves are contending? I get that they are .500, but they are in no means contending. They've traded quite a bit of their major league talent for prospects since John Hart took over and are playing way over their heads (negative run differential, 33-36 Pythagorean). So why would you not spend 9 million on another prospect while giving up none of your own? They are in prospect acquiring mode, so why would they blow prospects for a win-now move when they are clearly trying to not win now? Again, I don't see the issue you seem to see with holding onto Arroyo for the rest of this year and declining his option in the off season for a 19 year old top 100 prospect with ace potential while a team is trying, and has been, acquiring prospects.
 
Even if he's not on the Aiken/Feller fast track.
 
Atchison designated, Austin Adams back up.
 
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