The Andre Drummond Thread

[Birdy89]

How many times did Stromile Swift and Ronnie Turiaf put up 31 and 19?

At 20 years old.

 

[mAo_mAo]

Well that list is pretty good, no? I will take 15 players in that list over any of our young bigs.

 

[Tornicade]

How many times did Stromile Swift and Ronnie Turiaf put up 31 and 19?

At 20 years old.

Eddy Curry, Michael Beasley, Dejaun Blair, but why limit it to 20 year olds lets open it up to second year players.













both Greg Monroe and Smith on his own team have done it. Monroe 3 times.

Benoit Benjamin
Kenneth Faried
JJ Hickson
I love this one. "Big country " Bryant Reeves

and.. Wait for it.

Tristan Thompson 29 and 17 Close enough.

 

[mAo_mAo]

Eddy Curry, Michael Beasley, Dejaun Blair, but why limit it to 20 year olds lets open it up to second year players.













both Greg Monroe and Smith on his own team have done it. Monroe 3 times.

Benoit Benjamin
Kenneth Faried
JJ Hickson
I love this one. "Big country " Bryant Reeves

and.. Wait for it.

Tristan Thompson 29 and 17 Close enough.

So Torn, if we drafted Drummond would you trade him straight up for Dion?

 

[Tornicade]

So Torn, if we drafted Drummond would you trade him straight up for Dion?

If we drafted drummond I would asusme grant had foregone the desire to have a center with range and a post game. Drummond is essentially a specialist. the 4th or 5th option offensively. One who cant create his shot.

Waiters on the other hand has the dynamic to be the 2nd or 3rd guy offensively someone who can break down opposing defenses and will be much harder to take out of playoff series.

Im still not seeing any change in this and Trades work differently than the draft.

Dumars drafted drummond out of desperation and then did his best to build his team around drummond to utilize his specialist. Dennis rodman was good for the detroit and then chocago but he is a guy you need to surround with hall of fame talent to be succesful.

 

[gourimoko]

If we drafted drummond I would asusme grant had foregone the desire to have a center with range and a post game. Drummond is essentially a specialist. the 4th or 5th option offensively. One who cant create his shot.

Waiters on the other hand has the dynamic to be the 2nd or 3rd guy offensively someone who can break down opposing defenses and will be much harder to take out of playoff series.

Im still not seeing any change in this and Trades work differently than the draft.

Dumars drafted drummond out of desperation and then did his best to build his team around drummond to utilize his specialist. Dennis rodman was good for the detroit and then chocago but he is a guy you need to surround with hall of fame talent to be succesful.

Torn, you very artfully dodged his question. He's asking you specifically, would you swap Waiters for Drummond? It's a really straight-forward question and you're pulling a Clinton.

Going into Drummond's offensive qualities is somewhat irrelevant when he's getting you 13/13 on 65% and, as you've said, you don't run a single play for him. I really think you're missing the mark here, and I dunno why.

And saying Dumars was swinging for the fences making a desperation pick with Drummond doesn't seem like a fair or accurate statement. This would suggest Drummond wasn't BPA at the 9th position??

 

[mAo_mAo]

If we drafted drummond I would asusme grant had foregone the desire to have a center with range and a post game. Drummond is essentially a specialist. the 4th or 5th option offensively. One who cant create his shot.

Waiters on the other hand has the dynamic to be the 2nd or 3rd guy offensively someone who can break down opposing defenses and will be much harder to take out of playoff series.

Im still not seeing any change in this and Trades work differently than the draft.

Dumars drafted drummond out of desperation and then did his best to build his team around drummond to utilize his specialist. Dennis rodman was good for the detroit and then chocago but he is a guy you need to surround with hall of fame talent to be succesful.

That is a black and white question, my boy. Let's do it without names involved.

Would you trade a 20 year old 6 11 270 pound center who is as quick and athletic as a sf who is currently averaging 13 pts and 13 rebs with a 65% shooting percentage for a 22 year old 6 4 210 pound shooting guard who is great attacking the rim averaging 15 pts 3 ast with 42 percent shooting. Simple az that. Would you do it if you are the gm who has the center?

 

[Cashius X]

That is a black and white question, my boy. Let's do it without names involved.

Would you trade a 20 year old 6 11 270 pound center who is as quick and athletic as a sf who is currently averaging 13 pts and 13 rebs with a 65% shooting percentage for a 22 year old 6 4 210 pound shooting guard who is great attacking the rim averaging 15 pts 3 ast with 42 percent shooting. Simple az that. Would you do it if you are the gm who has the center?

21* Makes a huge difference.

 

[STAT]

Sure, it was a waste of time, but I considered it a 'unique programming challenge' more than anything :chuckles:

I agree, the numbers are skewed because of quotes, but my logic was that a reply to a post that referenced a person more than likely dealt with the same topic. In any case, here's the person by person breakdown. Again, this is the percentage of posts which referenced Dion or Grant compared to their total number of posts referencing Dion, Grant, or Drummond:

Birdy89: 34%
Banksy: 0%
Blue Kahuna: 40%
D-Wreck: 0%
Futuredome: 0%
gourimoko: 58%
Jack Brickman: 73%
Jon: 49%
Len: 39%
mAo_mAo: 54%
Mdog1: 100%
oasis05: 0%
Orange and BLue: 0%
PATRICK EWING: 0%
Playoffs God: 70%
qaws23: 0%
Randolphkeys: 45%
RchfldCavRaised: 69%
RealKingofCleve: 45%
Rich: 50%
STAT: 0%
theSTEREO.: 0%
Tornitroll: 42%
Triumph36: 0%

I'm a good person. Also, the "RCF 0% Club" dedicated to actually staying on topic sounds fun (this sentence is sort of ironic).

 

[mAo_mAo]

21* Makes a huge difference.

Well, Dion's birthday is on December 10. Happy birthday, DWait!

 

[STAT]

By all means, very impressive. I'm a big fan of Drummond. I was just messing around. Didn't see the game but that's a pretty impressive stat line. I wonder if he will ever become a better FT shooter

He'll certainly get better. Over his last seven games he has shot 38.1% from the line which is pitiful to be sure, but it's at least better than the 3-17 (17.6%) he shot through his first 11 games.

The real question though, is whether he'll improve enough to be merely below average as a free throw shooter. While he doesn't go to the line very often at this point, you can expect that to change as his offensive output continues to improve, and his free throw shooting, if not improved, may become very problematic. And for him to become as valuable as a guy like him should be, he'll have to start approaching "merely below average" as a free throw shooter or he will be too much of a liability to have on the court in fourth quarters of playoff games.

 

[Adam]

What i dont get is how he can shoot that bad? i mean he has some touch so hes not claw hands like ben wallace. Its like he's short sighted and cant see the ring outside 10 feet. or maybe he is doing it on purpose?? surely an unskilled joe public could shoot a higher percentage with an untrained technique if they took 100 a day for a month

 

[Cavatt]

I would rather have Drummond than Waiters, but I think he was a reach just like Waiters was at 4. At 9 he was a no-brainer. Didn't the Wizards and Bobcats blow it too? Did NO blow it if Drummon ends up better than Davis? I gotta say no, because at the time there was no way you would take Drummond over Davis.

 

[Toph]

I would rather have Drummond than Waiters, but I think he was a reach just like Waiters was at 4. At 9 he was a no-brainer. Didn't the Wizards and Bobcats blow it too? Did NO blow it if Drummon ends up better than Davis? I gotta say no, because at the time there was no way you would take Drummond over Davis.

By some of the logic I see in this thread, yes they did blow it in hindsight. But not New Orleans. I am almost positive Davis will always be better than Drummond.

 

[gourimoko]

I would rather have Drummond than Waiters, but I think he was a reach just like Waiters was at 4. At 9 he was a no-brainer.

Agreed.

Didn't the Wizards and Bobcats blow it too?

I don't think the Wizards did, but the Bobcats.. probably..

Did NO blow it if Drummon ends up better than Davis? I gotta say no, because at the time there was no way you would take Drummond over Davis.

Again, totally agree with you. Even if Drummond becomes the best player out of the draft, which just might happen, there's just no way you draft him over Davis. Not without some serious prognostication.