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JFF isn't even in the equation right now, he's shown NOTHING that would even remotely lead people to believe he can run an NFL offense at an effective level.

Pettine and his staff have to think this speculation about his eventual taking over the offense is such a joke at this point.


Myself and plenty others said it before the season, the best thing for that kid's career is Brian Hoyer playing well. That's exactly what's happening and he's got a chance to mature and continue acclimating to the NFL environment. It's the only chance he has to have a productive career, IMO.
Dude, JFF will be fine. The Browns just have to eliminate the huddle and their playbook and voila, NFL starter.
 
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Great post. I see it as most people on the "pro-Hoyer" side as overlooking the negaties (which is their perogative) while simultaneously framing the "anti-Hoyer" crowd as unable to recognize the good things he's done this year. I don't see anyone saying he should be benched or hasn't played well. We aren't competitive in spite of or because of him, as I can tell. He hasn't lost us any games, but I don't think he's won us any, either. I don't think there's a single person in this thread who would say his play hasn't exceeded their expectations headed into the season.

I think the game threads have been so outrageously negative towards everyone involved with the oorganization that Sunday night through Monday night there is residual damage. Reread all the game threads and you will see.
 
I think the game threads have been so outrageously negative towards everyone involved with the oorganization that Sunday night through Monday night there is residual damage. Reread all the game threads and you will see.

The game threads are just hilarious to me at this point. People go off the deep end every time something bad happens, but then go nuts when we have the most menial accomplishments. The highs and lows in those threads are insane.
 
I think the game threads have been so outrageously negative towards everyone involved with the oorganization that Sunday night through Monday night there is residual damage. Reread all the game threads and you will see.

Yeah, I've learned to stay out of Cavs/Browns/Indians game threads around here in order to maintain what little sanity I have left.

The overreaction and polarization is too much for me to take.
 
Saved yourself at the end...

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And shitty throw? Sure. But at least acknowledge that the degree of difficulty goes up when the receiver's size goes down.

That is a damn good throw seeing he had to throw it over 2 DB's & a LB but not too high to where 5'10 Benjamin couldn't jump and snatch it.

Wimbley almost got him but otherwise our line gave him some damn good time.
 
Game threads would be an incredible case study for any psychology student.
 
We aren't competitive in spite of or because of him, as I can tell. He hasn't lost us any games, but I don't think he's won us any, either.

What? After throwing out the caveat that in football, no one player ever single-handedly wins his team a game, how can you say the bolded? You don't think we're competitive, in part, because of Hoyer? How many other Browns QBs over the last 15 years would have responded to halftime deficits the way he has against Pitt and Tenn?

He hasn't won us any games? If 2 game-winning drives (4 games into the season) with clutch throws don't count, then what does constitute a QB winning games for a team then? I'm just curious as to your criteria.
 
He hasn't won us any games? If 2 game-winning drives (4 games into the season) with clutch throws don't count, then what does constitute a QB winning games for a team then? I'm just curious as to your criteria.

I asked a similar question (to the forum), but didn't get a response. I think it's been pretty fucking clear that Hoyer is a pretty significant catalyst in the Browns' wins thus far. All I get back is something about "Hoyer is gonna Hoyer".. That's a bad thing?

I (and I think most Hoyer/Browns supporters) understand that Hoyer isn't Aaron Rodgers. He certainly is more than a stop-gap, though. He's got the offense playing for him, he's made clutch throws and he's put the team in a position to win with his play. That is the outline of "Hoyer being Hoyer" to this point. We're at the point where he's being criticized for missing 2 or 3 throws a game. Is the assumption that good QBs don't ever miss a throw? That's doubtful.

This is interesting as it paints Hoyer as pretty good, albeit not a top tier QB:

 
I think if you told fans that Hoyer would throw for 3200 yards, 20 TDs and 10 INTs people would have 1) been shocked and 2) probably would have laughed at you.

That projected pace would be nothing short of excellent for this team.
 
A game winning drives don't mean "you" won the game. The last drive of the game isn't the only part of the game. Saying he won a game based on that would be as ridiculous as saying a QB who scored on the opening possession won the game right there because the margin of victory at the end was less than 7.
 
I asked a similar question (to the forum), but didn't get a response. I think it's been pretty fucking clear that Hoyer is a pretty significant catalyst in the Browns' wins thus far. All I get back is something about "Hoyer is gonna Hoyer".. That's a bad thing?

I (and I think most Hoyer/Browns supporters) understand that Hoyer isn't Aaron Rodgers. He certainly is more than a stop-gap, though. He's got the offense playing for him, he's made clutch throws and he's put the team in a position to win with his play. That is the outline of "Hoyer being Hoyer" to this point. We're at the point where he's being criticized for missing 2 or 3 throws a game. Is the assumption that good QBs don't ever miss a throw? That's doubtful.

This is interesting as it paints Hoyer as pretty good, albeit not a top tier QB:

24 TDs to 4 INTs? That's better than pretty good in my mind. 24 TDs may not be elite, but shrinking/minimizing mistakes that efficiently can also have a HUGE impact on win total.
 
Game threads would be an incredible case study for any psychology student.

I'm a psych student and even I'm guilty of having a mini meltdown every now and then, as much as it pains me to admit it.

I was born in 1992. The Browns have gone to the playoffs twice in my lifetime I believe, and only one time that I can actually remember. Losing is all I know from them, so it's hard not to jump off a bridge when something bad happens. I need to just enjoy this fun ride in what has been so far the most exciting Browns' season I can remember.
 
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A game winning drives don't mean "you" won the game.

Did you skim past this?
...in football, no one player ever single-handedly wins his team a game

The last drive of the game isn't the only part of the game. Saying he won a game based on that would be as ridiculous as saying a QB who scored on the opening possession won the game right there because the margin of victory at the end was less than 7.

No it wouldn't. The game can't be won or lost on the opening possession, but it can be on the last drive of the game. How is this even an argument? Lets apply what you just said to a memorable Cavs basketball game. "Saying Lebron won game 2 of the 2009 ECF with his last second 3 is just as ridiculous as saying Mo Williams won the game on the first possession with 2 free throws because the margin of victory at the end was less than 2." Just stop.
 

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