• Changing RCF's index page, please click on "Forums" to access the forums.

The Brian Hoyer thread...

Do Not Sell My Personal Information
Scoring 25 points in 2 quarters with this receiving corp is not managing a game. It's winning one.
19 vs Texans. 24 vs steelers.
on the other hand you didnt say consecutive quarters.

so far this season 24 times teams have scored more than 19 points in a half
7 teams have scored 24 or more in a half

31 times this season teams have score 19 or more in the first half

thats 55 halves where teams scored more than 19 points

meanwhile there was 152 halves

Which comes out to a team having a 33% chance of scoring 19 or more point in any given half.

8 times this season already teams have scored 21 points or more in a quarter.


Setting recrods is nice but keep things in perspective.

The defense has alot of young piece and seems to be dr jeckyll and hyde. The offense is geared with a running game that wheres other teams down.

the coaching staff is a patient lot and stuck to their offensive plan regardless of the score.

How meanwhile was 2-8 on 3rd down conversions at one point.

the fspecial teams fumble/safety and possesion of the ball was key.

the defense had two 4th down stops including one that was just a couple inches.

pointing out other positives doesnt make hoyer less of a quarterback.
 
Hoyer is playing well enough to be 4-0 this season, easily. The reason we aren't is the defense is shitting the bed and the team doesn't play first halves like they're that interested. Hoyer is managing games very well and making plays when it counts more often than not while we lean on our running game. He isn't carrying the team on his back, but he's certainly leading them. I think his ceiling is a little higher than we're seeing out of him right now but not much more than that, which I think is just fine if we continue to build a good team around him.

I'm pretty optimistic about our situation going forward, even if that eventually means giving the reigns to Manziel in a few years. I hope some infatuated owner offers us a Trent Richardson deal for him and we draft someone else, but if he's going to succeed its going to take several years I think and we're putting him in a decent situation for the future by building up the rest of the team right now.

Yes because he really led me to believe this when he had 3. Oppurunifies against Baltimore in the fourth.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Yes because he really led me to believe this when he had 3. Oppurunifies against Baltimore in the fourth.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You should have watched what that good for nothing fucktard Peyton Manning did in the Super Bowl.

Fact of the matter is, no quarterback is going to be errorless on every drive, every week. Hoyer could have done better closing in Baltimore. So could a lot of players that week.

But this past week, the tide appeared to shift in a positive direction. According to Pettine: "His poise, demeanor, the way he handles himself, makes it easy for the team to rally around him." It sounds like people are putting Baltimore aside and focusing on getting this thing moving in the right direction, because that is the correct non-loser mindset to have inside a locker room.
 
I sometimes enjoy Grantland, and they nailed this one:

It’s like Cleveland has a Subaru starting at quarterback and rolling along just fine, but there’s a Ferrari on the sideline. Only nobody’s ever driven the Ferrari, and there’s a chance it could burst into flames once you get it on the road. Which car do you choose?
 
The obvious answer is to continue to bet on Hoyer until he gives us reason to do otherwise. He's clearly playing well enough to win us games, especially if the defense stops being shitty and giving up easy points every week. There's little risk in bringing Hoyer back in the Browns put together a good season, but there's nothing but risk in letting him walk and turning the reigns over to Manziel. We've still got Manziel on the sidelines if we bring Hoyer back, after all.
 
I sometimes enjoy Grantland and they nailed this one:

That sounds like the logic used by Bradley Cooper's character in "He's Just Not That Into You". The Browns have a nice haircut and Jennifer Connelly at home. Its not teenage Labrynth Connelly, its not filthy " ass to ass" Connelly, but nobody would complain. Then he gets tempted by Scarlett Johansson. BTW, no nude scene, which sucks.

Do you not know what happens to Bradley Cooper's character!?!?!?
 
That sounds like the logic used by Bradley Cooper's character in "He's Just Not That Into You". The Browns have a nice haircut and Jennifer Connelly at home. Its not teenage Labrynth Connelly, its not filthy " ass to ass" Connelly, but nobody would complain. Then he gets tempted by Scarlett Johansson. BTW, no nude scene, which sucks.

Do you not know what happens to Bradley Cooper's character!?!?!?

Does he go 4-12?
 
What? After throwing out the caveat that in football, no one player ever single-handedly wins his team a game, how can you say the bolded? You don't think we're competitive, in part, because of Hoyer? How many other Browns QBs over the last 15 years would have responded to halftime deficits the way he has against Pitt and Tenn?

He hasn't won us any games? If 2 game-winning drives (4 games into the season) with clutch throws don't count, then what does constitute a QB winning games for a team then? I'm just curious as to your criteria.

I asked a similar question (to the forum), but didn't get a response. I think it's been pretty fucking clear that Hoyer is a pretty significant catalyst in the Browns' wins thus far. All I get back is something about "Hoyer is gonna Hoyer".. That's a bad thing?

I (and I think most Hoyer/Browns supporters) understand that Hoyer isn't Aaron Rodgers. He certainly is more than a stop-gap, though. He's got the offense playing for him, he's made clutch throws and he's put the team in a position to win with his play. That is the outline of "Hoyer being Hoyer" to this point. We're at the point where he's being criticized for missing 2 or 3 throws a game. Is the assumption that good QBs don't ever miss a throw? That's doubtful.

This is interesting as it paints Hoyer as pretty good, albeit not a top tier QB:


Yes, I think we are competitive, in part, because of Hoyer...but I also think there are 15-20 other QBs who would have us equally as competitive. We have this portion of the board who seems to have Stockholm Syndrome. Just because Hoyer is better than what we've had over the past 15 years (save Derek Anderson in 2007), doesn't mean he's unique.

If a kicker hits a last second field goal did he win the game? If a guy hits a buzzer-beater did he win the game? I suppose it depends on you perspective. elcheato already explaind this in one of his posts, so I won't belabor the point, beyond to say that we wouldn't have been in the position to need a last-minute drive had Hoyer completed an easy pass to Hawkins. Nor would he have been in the position to lead a game winning drive had we not blocked the punt for a safety. Would you same people who are saying he won the game last week with his last minute drive admit he lost the game the week prior because he couldn't move the chains on our last drive? I wouldn't.

We're 4th in the league in rushing ypg and tied for 4th is sacks allowed. That speaks more to our competitiveness and success as anything Hoyer has done, in my opinion. I give that credit to Shanahan and the O-Line.
 
Yes, I think we are competitive, in part, because of Hoyer...but I also think there are 15-20 other QBs who would have us equally as competitive. We have this portion of the board who seems to have Stockholm Syndrome. Just because Hoyer is better than what we've had over the past 15 years (save Derek Anderson in 2007), doesn't mean he's unique.

If a kicker hits a last second field goal did he win the game? If a guy hits a buzzer-beater did he win the game? I suppose it depends on you perspective. elcheato already explaind this in one of his posts, so I won't belabor the point, beyond to say that we wouldn't have been in the position to need a last-minute drive had Hoyer completed an easy pass to Hawkins. Nor would he have been in the position to lead a game winning drive had we not blocked the punt for a safety. Would you same people who are saying he won the game last week with his last minute drive admit he lost the game the week prior because he couldn't move the chains on our last drive? I wouldn't.

We're 4th in the league in rushing ypg and tied for 4th is sacks allowed. That speaks more to our competitiveness and success as anything Hoyer has done, in my opinion. I give that credit to Shanahan and the O-Line.

You could counter that in most of our games we wouldn't need last second drives if our defense didn't suck.
 
You could counter that in most of our games we wouldn't need last second drives if our defense didn't suck.

Don't get me started on the defense. This is the Brian Hoyer thread.
 
Yes, I think we are competitive, in part, because of Hoyer...but I also think there are 15-20 other QBs who would have us equally as competitive. We have this portion of the board who seems to have Stockholm Syndrome. Just because Hoyer is better than what we've had over the past 15 years (save Derek Anderson in 2007), doesn't mean he's unique.

If a kicker hits a last second field goal did he win the game? If a guy hits a buzzer-beater did he win the game? I suppose it depends on you perspective. elcheato already explaind this in one of his posts, so I won't belabor the point, beyond to say that we wouldn't have been in the position to need a last-minute drive had Hoyer completed an easy pass to Hawkins. Nor would he have been in the position to lead a game winning drive had we not blocked the punt for a safety. Would you same people who are saying he won the game last week with his last minute drive admit he lost the game the week prior because he couldn't move the chains on our last drive? I wouldn't.

We're 4th in the league in rushing ypg and tied for 4th is sacks allowed. That speaks more to our competitiveness and success as anything Hoyer has done, in my opinion. I give that credit to Shanahan and the O-Line.


I usually don't do this, but I had to stop reading after that. Seriously though, I am not quite yet to put Hoyer as a top-15 QB at this moment. But, to say that 15-20 QB's in the NFL would seriously have us this competitive, right now, is absolutely ridiculous.

Here are Hoyer's numbers right now: passer rating 97, TDs 6, INTs 1, passing percentage 62%.

To think 20 QBs in the NFL, can come here, and do that, is nuts. Because there aren't 15-20 QB's playing like Hoyer right now.

After Philip Rivers (who has clearly been the best QB this season thus far), Peyton Manning, and Aaron Rodgers, you could make a good argument no other QB in the NFL is playing better than Hoyer.

Now, don't get me confused in thinking that means he's elite. No, 4 games doesn't prove a lot in the NFL, he needs a much bigger window of it. And honestly, I don't literally expect him to go at this pace either.

I don't know how anyone can't give Hoyer a lot of credit the way he's playing, because he's the reason we're not 0-4, like we should be, with how horrible this defense has been.

He's doing what Tom Brady used to do. Taking average, to inexperience skill players, a bad defense, and still winning games. And he certainly doesn't have Belichick on he sidelines either.

Right now, Hoyer is definitely playing like a top-5 QB.
 
Last edited:
Don't get me started on the defense. This is the Brian Hoyer thread.

The defense is relevant. Realistically, a QB isn't going to lead his team for a score on every drive. Our offense is almost top ten in the league right now. Our defense is almost dead last. That's the problem, not Hoyer. He's going to miss some throws. All QBs do.
 
I usually don't do this, but I had to stop reading after that. Seriously though, I am not quite yet to put Hoyer as a top-15 QB at this moment. But, to say that 15-20 QB's in the NFL would seriously have us this competitive, right now, is absolutely ridiculous.

Here are Hoyer's numbers right now: passer rating 97, TDs 6, INTs 1, passing percentage 62%.

To think 20 QBs in the NFL, can come here, and do that, is nuts. Because there aren't 15-20 QB's playing like Hoyer right now.

After Philip Rivers (who has clearly been the best QB this season thus far), Peyton Manning, and Aaron Rodgers, you could make a good argument no other QB in the NFL is playing better than Hoyer.

Now, don't get me confused in thinking that means he's elite. No, 4 games doesn't prove a lot in the NFL, he needs a much bigger window of it. And honestly, I don't literally expect him to go at this pace either.

I don't know how anyone can't give Hoyer a lot of credit the way he's playing, because he's the reason we're not 0-4, like we should be, the way how horrible this defense has been.

He's doing what Tom Brady used to do. Taking average, to inexperience skill players, a bad defense, and still winning games. And he certainly doesn't have Belichick on he sidelines either.

Right now, Hoyer is definitely playing like a top-5 QB.

You missed the part where Hoyer's success is the direct result of the offensive line and Kyle Shanny.....:bs:
 
You missed the part where Hoyer's success is the direct result of the offensive line and Kyle Shanny.....:bs:

The same line, basically, was garbage under Brandon, hold the ball forever, because I suck at reading coverages, Weeden.
 

Rubber Rim Job Podcast Video

Episode 3-13: "Backup Bash Brothers"

Rubber Rim Job Podcast Spotify

Episode 3:11: "Clipping Bucks."
Top