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I think that would make him even higher paid than Lue, who is already the highest paid assistant coach in the league.
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The Cavs and the salary cap
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I think that would make him even higher paid than Lue, who is already the highest paid assistant coach in the league.
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So my question is....what exactly will we have to spend?
Hear me out, whether you agree with me or not:
LeBron signs 1 year max, around 22.1 mil
Love signs 5 year max, around 18.9 mil for next year
TT signs 4 year, 67.5 mil max, around 15.8 next year ( i think we will have to match someone's offer)
Kyrie is on the books, 15.8 mil next year
Pick up Mozgov's team option, 4.95 mil next year
Joe Harris's rookie contract is 845k next year
Andy's current contract is 9.8 mil next year, I think we will restructure and stretch his contract
Lets say we sign:
Shump to a 4 year, 36 mil deal, around 9 mil next year
JR to a 3 year, 25 mil deal around 7.8 mil next year
So you can see we are way over the cap only with those 8 guys. What exactly can we spend on FAs? I feel like the answer is nothing? So we have to hope we can improve by trading Haywood's contract. What exactly would the MLE and vet mins be worth and who would come to the Cavs for that money?
Hear me out, whether you agree with me or not:
LeBron signs 1 year max, around 22.1 mil
Love signs 5 year max, around 18.9 mil for next year
TT signs 4 year, 67.5 mil max, around 15.8 next year ( i think we will have to match someone's offer)
Kyrie is on the books, 15.8 mil next year
Pick up Mozgov's team option, 4.95 mil next year
Joe Harris's rookie contract is 845k next year
Andy's current contract is 9.8 mil next year, I think we will restructure and stretch his contract
Lets say we sign:
Shump to a 4 year, 36 mil deal, around 9 mil next year
JR to a 3 year, 25 mil deal around 7.8 mil next year
So you can see we are way over the cap only with those 8 guys. What exactly can we spend on FAs? I feel like the answer is nothing? So we have to hope we can improve by trading Haywood's contract. What exactly would the MLE and vet mins be worth and who would come to the Cavs for that money?
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So basically we will have about 13 mil for Haywood's contract (that will come to us as a player in a trade, or multiple players), and then we have around 3.5 mil for MLE. and then the vet mins.
My only question is I thought we were unable to use the MLE if we were over a certain limit
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We may very well end up paying him 15+ million dollars a year because teams are insane, but you'll never convince me he's worth it.
It's more than Favors is getting. It's more than Ibaka is getting. So before saying he's "earned" 14 million a year, think about those two players. Is he as good as either one of them? No. Neither of those teams in ten million years would trade either of those players straight up for Thompson. No one would. Yet he's gonna get paid more than both of them.
And this, by the way, is why I'd like to let another team set the market. I do not think someone is gonna sign him to an offer sheet like the ones I've seen mentioned. And if they do, big deal, we were gonna pay him that money beforehand.
You'd have to look far and wide to find a hustle/rebounding power forward getting this type of money. It might be unprecedented to toss this kind of money at such an offensively challenged power forward.
It's more than Favors is getting. It's more than Ibaka is getting. So before saying he's "earned" 14 million a year, think about those two players. Is he as good as either one of them? No. Neither of those teams in ten million years would trade either of those players straight up for Thompson. No one would. Yet he's gonna get paid more than both of them.
And this, by the way, is why I'd like to let another team set the market. I do not think someone is gonna sign him to an offer sheet like the ones I've seen mentioned. And if they do, big deal, we were gonna pay him that money beforehand.
You'd have to look far and wide to find a hustle/rebounding power forward getting this type of money. It might be unprecedented to toss this kind of money at such an offensively challenged power forward.
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I believe there are two:
The MLE (only available to teams under the luxury cap threshold).
The mini MLE (available to luxury tax-paying teams; smaller limit than the MLE). For example, when LeBron was in Miami, the Heat used this to sign Ray Allen.
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Because we are over the luxury tax, we get a smaller version of the MLE. The full MLE is around 6mil.
Also, Haywood alone is worth 13, but if we trade him with other contracts, that number goes up.
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I definitely agree with you. But I think the NBA is in kind of a contract limbo this year with the TV deal coming next year. I think we are going to see a lot of over paid players this off season (TT, Draymond Green, Greg Monroe) bc of the increase in salaries next year
Paul Milsap is probably going to be getting 15 mil/yr and he is way better a player than TT. I hope we don't outbid ourselves on Tristan. He's worth 10 mil/yr at most.
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We can only "get him off the books" by trading his contract, or using the stretch provision (which would make no sense).
However, Miller could be traded to another team with cash equal to his salary and then subsequently retire from the league. At that point, we could hire him with a new salary as part of our coaching staff. This wouldn't cost the opposing team anything but cap space (not actual money), and could probably be done for a second rounder as they'd only be facilitating the trade.
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Joe Johnson and Deron Williams make more than Steph Curry does
David Lee makes more than Steph
Bemba Walker makes more than Steph.
Ibaka and Favors will both sign deals in two years that dwarf what TT signs for this year
The contracts are not static or life long. The salary cap is not static and non changing. These discrepancies occur.
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Ibaka was better when he signed his contract than TT is now.
Joe Johnson and Deron Williams were better when they signed those deals than Steph Curry was when he signed his. Plus, you know the reason Curry's deal was small was due to injuries. This is not a good example.
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I just don't see what your main point is other than it bums you out apparently that Dan Gilbert will overspend in a way that does not hurt our team in any ways to keep Tristan.
You're also jumping the gun and assuming he's going to get a Max deal when their are several scenarios in which his deal comes in closer to 13-14.5 million.
And who cares if some player on another player is better or worse than Tristan and making more or less with him.
We don't have the option of getting Ibaka or Favor in place of Tristan.
We do have the option of doing what id necessary to retain Tristan as a player for the future(or possibly to trade in the future) or just simply lose him for good and not have good mechanisms in place to replace him.
If your point is simply that Tristan's ability and skill may not merit a 14.5 million per year contract, fine , I agree. But who cares. Contracts are not about talent and talent alone. Especially when you are already well over the cap and need to retain players vs. simply being under the cap and trying to determine which players are worth using up your cap space on and which are not.
You're also jumping the gun and assuming he's going to get a Max deal when their are several scenarios in which his deal comes in closer to 13-14.5 million.
And who cares if some player on another player is better or worse than Tristan and making more or less with him.
We don't have the option of getting Ibaka or Favor in place of Tristan.
We do have the option of doing what id necessary to retain Tristan as a player for the future(or possibly to trade in the future) or just simply lose him for good and not have good mechanisms in place to replace him.
If your point is simply that Tristan's ability and skill may not merit a 14.5 million per year contract, fine , I agree. But who cares. Contracts are not about talent and talent alone. Especially when you are already well over the cap and need to retain players vs. simply being under the cap and trying to determine which players are worth using up your cap space on and which are not.
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It's not my job to try to save Gilbert some money, but now that the Cavs have finals experience, arguably Miller's off the floor role is somewhat less important. (I say this acknowledging that he and others deserve credit for not staging a mutiny when the team was 19-20 and he was hardly even playing.) So sending him out with, say, $3M and the Portland second rounder (#53) would save the team $7.5M (2.8*3.5-3). The receiving team could either buy him out, using some portion of the $3M, or Miller could play out the season. I guess he could retire too, but he'd forfeit his guaranteed salary, and if he were willing to retire, he could just save everyone's time and do it as a member of the Cavs.
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Another good piece from a few days ago (June 17th) on the Cavs' salary profile for the upcoming season. I think the salary assumptions here are reasonable.
http://bballbreakdown.com/2015/06/17/five-questions-cleveland-cavaliers/
As I read it, the author envisions a scenario -- all free agents return, Cavs' take back maximum salary in a Haywood trade, and use the full mini MLE -- where the Cavs' team salary is over $126M, with a luxury tax payment of over $160M. So total payroll approaching $290M.
http://bballbreakdown.com/2015/06/17/five-questions-cleveland-cavaliers/
As I read it, the author envisions a scenario -- all free agents return, Cavs' take back maximum salary in a Haywood trade, and use the full mini MLE -- where the Cavs' team salary is over $126M, with a luxury tax payment of over $160M. So total payroll approaching $290M.