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I'm a little confused. How do you have over $5k in debt on two separate cards if your credit limit is $5k? I must be wrong in my assumption that once you exceed the credit limit you can't add anymore to the card without paying some of it off.

It sounds like asking the Grandpa for cash and paying him back would be your cheapest option at this point.
 
I'm a little confused. How do you have over $5k in debt on two separate cards if your credit limit is $5k? I must be wrong in my assumption that once you exceed the credit limit you can't add anymore to the card without paying some of it off.

It sounds like asking the Grandpa for cash and paying him back would be your cheapest option at this point.

I actually have 4 credit cards that have a balance on them. I just used the above two-card example as an example for simplicity's sake.
 
installment loan at 12% better than credit card at 5%. Look up Euler's factor to understand if you dont believe me. (e)

This isn't true at all. Generally both charge interest on your statement balance, it doesn't compound unless you're paying less than the interest amount. If you have a balance, a 5% credit card is cheaper than a 12% installment loan if you're making the same payment to either.

Just google Euler's factor its also known as E.

DO not use the cards or they will charge you interest even if paid off, credit cards are necessary sometimes, but are evil on how they charge interest.

Use cash for everything, pick a card pay it off first, all the other make min payments, then move onto the next. You use the cards, you will get in trouble.

Once all paid off, then you could start using again for points, etc.

Most credit cards don't charge any interest if you pay off the statement balance. The few that do only do it if you had a prior unpaid balance on that closing date.
 
I actually have 4 credit cards that have a balance on them. I just used the above two-card example as an example for simplicity's sake.

that makes a big difference. What are the 4 balances, limits and their interest rates and how much can you pay towards the card balance total not counting the 2k you could run through the card?

Do you use any service that lets you monitor your credit score? If it's high enough to get a 0% balance transfer, any amount you can do that with will help.

Have you calculated the total amount you're paying in interest right now. The goal is to bring that number down. From your example in the first post, the interest should be $260/month. With it being 4 cards, you can knock $40 off of that amount pretty easily plus get your rewards assuming you have some available credit left.

Step 1, bring one of the 24% cards balances down to 2k. Assuming there is available credit, you can do this by charging some of the 2k of expenses on a different card, preferably a 14% card, but paying the cash on the 24% card. It's important that you don't move more than the amount needed to get the balance down to 2k this way, you'll pay unnecessary interest if you move too much. If you have multiple 24% cards and enough available 14% interest, get one card down to $2k, but no lower, and the other one down as low as you can effectively moving as much of the balance as you can to the 14% card.

Step 2. Once the statement balance is down to 2k, you can get your statement, charge the 2k of new expenses through the month, pay the full statement balance on the closing date and never get charged any interest on that card even though it always has at least a 2k balance, which saves you $40/month plus the rewards you get.

After that, for the cards that are left. Min pay the lowest rate cards and pay as much as you can, including the $40/month savings towards the highest rate card.

each time one card is paid off, repeat the above with the next card. And move the monthly spending to the newly paid off card if it has a better interest rate (in case something happens and you can't make the payment) or has better rewards.

For all of this to work, you have to be disciplined enough to only put on the card what you know you can pay off each month.

Also, while you work the debt down, be on the lookout for cards with lower rates or balance transfer offers, but avoid annual fees. Use the same basic trick above to move balance to the lower rate cards if they don't have good transfer terms.

These are some of the tricks you learn to get good at when you are trying to build a business.
 
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Most credit cards don't charge any interest if you pay off the statement balance. The few that do only do it if you had a prior unpaid balance on that closing date.

Yes, very true, that is what i am saying, unless you pay it off in full, they charge interest, and it is compound interest even if you pay over minimum.
 
Yes, very true, that is what i am saying, unless you pay it off in full, they charge interest, and it is compound interest even if you pay over minimum.

it's not compounded, the interest they charge is 1/12 the interest rate times the statement closing balance. If you make a high enough payment to cover the interest amount you're never charged interest on the interest, which is the definition of compounded.

If in a given month you have a 1000 balance on a installment loan at 12%, your interest for that month is $10. If you have a 12% credit card with a 1000 balance (and didn't pay off the statement balance the prior month), the interest for the month is $10. In both cases, if you pay $100 and make no charges, your closing balance is $910. In both cases the interest the following month is $9.10.

The difference is credit cards allow you to have an indefinite interest free loan. you can have a $1000 closing balance, charge $1000 in new purchases, as long as you pay the prior closing balance by the closing date, you never are charged interest. Of course, they typically kill you with their rates if something happens and you can't pay the closing balance.
 
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I just realloacted some of my funds in my 401k to include company stock and some blue chip funds. I may start looking into trading outside of my 401k. Does anyone have some information on stocks with a good dividend yield? I've looked into Ford and that may be my first purchase but haven't done much research outside of that. Anyone have any thoughts?
 
I just realloacted some of my funds in my 401k to include company stock and some blue chip funds. I may start looking into trading outside of my 401k. Does anyone have some information on stocks with a good dividend yield? I've looked into Ford and that may be my first purchase but haven't done much research outside of that. Anyone have any thoughts?
I don't have any specific recommendations, but this seems like a good place to start.
http://www.nasdaq.com/dividend-stocks/
 
Any daytraders on this site?
 
Mine as well ask in here. I'm in my mid 20's so still trying figure out all this financial stuff. So these may be dumb questions. I've racked up about $5000 in credit card debt between two cards. I feel like I dug myself in a hole, but is that a lot of debt? I should probably start budgeting so what's the best way to go about it? Figure out how much I make monthly, add up how much bills are and what not? Should I use some of my savings to help pay off some of the debt?
 
Mine as well ask in here. I'm in my mid 20's so still trying figure out all this financial stuff. So these may be dumb questions. I've racked up about $5000 in credit card debt between two cards. I feel like I dug myself in a hole,

.. don't feel that way.

but is that a lot of debt?

Nope.

I should probably start budgeting so what's the best way to go about it? Figure out how much I make monthly, add up how much bills are and what not?

Budget a portion of disposable income to pay down your debt monthly. Don't kill yourself trying to pay back debt. Simply having a good payment history is sufficient. If the cards are maxed out, try to get them below 30% utilization as fast as you can.

Should I use some of my savings to help pay off some of the debt?

This depends on the credit limit you have with each card. If you're not over 50% of your limit, I'd say no. If you are, then it's a question of how stable your income is. If you're young and don't need to rely on the savings for future expenses, then yes. Carrying high balances (with respect to the limit) on your cards is detrimental to your credit score.
 
Mine as well ask in here. I'm in my mid 20's so still trying figure out all this financial stuff. So these may be dumb questions. I've racked up about $5000 in credit card debt between two cards. I feel like I dug myself in a hole, but is that a lot of debt? I should probably start budgeting so what's the best way to go about it? Figure out how much I make monthly, add up how much bills are and what not? Should I use some of my savings to help pay off some of the debt?
It being a lot of debt really depends on your ability to pay it off. Chances are it is high interest, and the fact that you 1) have 5k in credit card debt to begin with and 2) are on here asking me about it suggests that you don't have the ability to pay it off fairly quick. I'm a firm believer that credit card debt should be paid in full every month.

Yes- start budgeting as soon as possible. You can find a template on excel that will be more than enough to get the job done. Look at last month's credit statement (assuming you use it to pay for everything) and start filling in that excel budget. Chances are you will be shocked at how much money you are wasting; whether it be on eating out, alcohol, or whatever else. Once you have everything entered and start hating yourself when you actually see how much and where your money is going to waste, look for ways to cut it down. A bit of an extreme example - I recently switched from parking in the garage connected to my building to the garage that's about a 2 minute walk. Its saving me approx $50/month ($2 a day), which is $600 a year. $2/day seems like nothing, but if you think of it..that $600 a year is basically giving yourself a $1/k raise before taxes, or as it like to look at it...my justification for buying finals tickets.

I would recommend dipping into your savings, so long as you still keep yourself an emergency fund for any unforeseen events (car repair, medical bills, etc) so that you do not end up back where you are now.

Lets look the math. Lets say it takes you 3 years to pay that 5k loan off at an 18% interest rate. You are paying approx. $1500 in interest. That's $1,500 extra that it seems like you can't really afford. You decide to suck it up, buckle down, and pay it off in a year? Only $500 in interest. $1,000 in savings. Pay it off as soon as you can. Credit card debt is horrible to have.
 
Thanks for help everyone. Now I read in the thread that I should pay off the lower amount of the two cards first? Why is that? Or did I read it wrong?
 
Thanks for help everyone. Now I read in the thread that I should pay off the lower amount of the two cards first? Why is that? Or did I read it wrong?
Depends and people have different preferences. If you pay lower amount first (no matter the interest rate), you will free up disposable income faster. If the higher amount has a higher interest rate, concentrating on that will save you more money in interest over time.
 
Also once I get these cards paid off, should I start putting some extra cash to my student loans as well?
 

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