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If we picked Drummond Val and Noel. We could package two (Val or Drummond/Noel) of them and it will probably enough to get Kevin Love without giving up Wiggins with us still having a Center. :D That is asset collection at its finest.
 
mAo_mAo said:
If we picked Drummond Val and Noel. We could package two (Val or Drummond/Noel) of them and it will probably enough to get Kevin Love without giving up Wiggins with us still having a Center. :D That is asset collection at its finest.
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oh you
 
mAo_mAo said:
If we picked Drummond Val and Noel. We could package two (Val or Drummond/Noel) of them and it will probably enough to get Kevin Love without giving up Wiggins with us still having a Center. :D That is asset collection at its finest.
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Yea, that would have went over real well.
 
mAo_mAo said:
If we picked Drummond Val and Noel. We could package two (Val or Drummond/Noel) of them and it will probably enough to get Kevin Love without giving up Wiggins with us still having a Center. :D That is asset collection at its finest.
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We wouldn't have Wiggins if we drafted Drummond, Val and Noel.
 
warriorsz32 said:
We wouldn't have Wiggins if we drafted Drummond, Val and Noel.
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Let's just stop this thought earlier. We wouldn't have Drummond if we had Val. And we CERTAINLY wouldn't have had Noel if we had had either.
 
Why no love for Bismack Biyombo? I know that he has no offensive game -- but he was #1 in the league last year in Rim defense. He's only 21 and his advanced defensive metrics are really really good.

Also - though he provides nothing on the offensive end -- he doesn't hurt you that much there. TOV% is around a league average (for C's) 17.7 - FG% is actually a ridiculously 61.6, with a TS% of 60.6. In Charlotte he's almost unplayable offensively because he's stuck on a team with no real offensive weapons outside of Al Jefferson. Put him alongside LBJ/Irving/Love and he really doesn't need to do anything offensively.

Also, he will come for nothing -- if you can match the contracts with expiring then you have him.

I'm not saying he's a great option (but the other reasonable options like Mozgov aren't going to revolutionize the position either) - and he's cheaper, younger and could give you 20MPG when Varejao and TT are being abused.

EDIT: BTW - I know i'm going to get burned for bringing him up.... But we trade for Love and we're not going to have a lot of tradable options left. If you can't get Mozgov (I don't really think we'll be able to) - it's either something like Biyombo, or someone like the carcases of Oden/Okafor
 
Lyuokdea said:
Why no love for Bismack Biyombo? I know that he has no offensive game -- but he was #1 in the league last year in Rim defense. He's only 21 and his advanced defensive metrics are really really good.

Also - though he provides nothing on the offensive end -- he doesn't hurt you that much there. TOV% is around a league average (for C's) 17.7 - FG% is actually a ridiculously 61.6, with a TS% of 60.6. In Charlotte he's almost unplayable offensively because he's stuck on a team with no real offensive weapons outside of Al Jefferson. Put him alongside LBJ/Irving/Love and he really doesn't need to do anything offensively.

Also, he will come for nothing -- if you can match the contracts with expiring then you have him.

I'm not saying he's a great option (but the other reasonable options like Mozgov aren't going to revolutionize the position either) - and he's cheaper, younger and could give you 20MPG when Varejao and TT are being abused.

EDIT: BTW - I know i'm going to get burned for bringing him up.... But we trade for Love and we're not going to have a lot of tradable options left. If you can't get Mozgov (I don't really think we'll be able to) - it's either something like Biyombo, or someone like the carcases of Oden/Okafor
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The biggest issue with Biyombo is he is about as much of a center as Tristan. He is better defensively though, but still undersized.
 
Lyuokdea said:
Why no love for Bismack Biyombo? I know that he has no offensive game -- but he was #1 in the league last year in Rim defense. He's only 21 and his advanced defensive metrics are really really good.

Also - though he provides nothing on the offensive end -- he doesn't hurt you that much there. TOV% is around a league average (for C's) 17.7 - FG% is actually a ridiculously 61.6, with a TS% of 60.6. In Charlotte he's almost unplayable offensively because he's stuck on a team with no real offensive weapons outside of Al Jefferson. Put him alongside LBJ/Irving/Love and he really doesn't need to do anything offensively.

Also, he will come for nothing -- if you can match the contracts with expiring then you have him.

I'm not saying he's a great option (but the other reasonable options like Mozgov aren't going to revolutionize the position either) - and he's cheaper, younger and could give you 20MPG when Varejao and TT are being abused.

EDIT: BTW - I know i'm going to get burned for bringing him up.... But we trade for Love and we're not going to have a lot of tradable options left. If you can't get Mozgov (I don't really think we'll be able to) - it's either something like Biyombo, or someone like the carcases of Oden/Okafor
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I like Biyombo too. Perhaps he is expendable now with the acquisition of Vonleh?
 
Lyuokdea said:
He's short yes -- but he statistically does really well against big centers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He6F3qJ8EFM
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I'm surprised I forgot about Biyombo because he's a guy I had thought about in the past since he has clearly fallen out of favor in Charlotte. I think is now undervalued due to his stigma of being a "bust." But he both rebounds and blocks shots at a high rate and that's a valuable combination (compare him to Udoh who can't rebound at all). Plus as you say he can convert around the basket and doesn't turn it over. I mean, the only time I would want him touching the ball on offense is when he gets offensive rebounds or catches passes under the basket from LeBron, and that's absolutely fine. Unless I am mistaken we should be able to get him for the 3 Utah guys. Since he doesn't seem to be highly valued and is slated to become a RFA next year, I wonder what else Charlotte would want for him?

I've suggested either the MIA or MEM pick, plus expirings, for Mozgov, which I think is a realistic trade that might interest Denver. I suspect Biyombo's trade value isn't as high, in part because he isn't under contract for 2015-16, unlike Mozgov. But he also is a hedge against the possibility that some team signs Tristan Thompson next summer as an RFA to a big offer sheet. If that happens, you let him walk and keep Biyombo to do the dirty work at a cheaper price.

Other possibilities: I think with today's leak of Minny's rumored interest in Thad Young, we might be able to play that to our advantage in an effort to get Dieng added to the deal. Minny gets Wiggins plus Young plus salary relief (Barea and another contract sent to Philly) plus a pick, with Bennett and/or a pick going to Philly. This is a reasonable trade and might be realistic.

I have posted my preferred free agent center options elsewhere, but will do so here as well...Brand, Okafor, Stiemsma, Ayon, O'Neal. Absent any further information regarding their health, LeBron's opinion, etc., I like them in roughly this order.

Guys I would avoid:

Mullens...just a horrible player. Not even a backup on a championship team, as Doc Rivers learned last year.
Udoh....see above, a horrible rebounder, with horrible basketball instincts.
O'Neal....I do list him, but am less interested because of durability issues. Plus, offense would not be needed from this signing so I don't see that he fits our need very well.
Blatche...I just don't think he is a guy you rely on.
Oden....for any number of reasons, no.
Bynum....don't laugh. some have mentioned his name.

Koufos is a guy I'd possibly be interested in, but I can't see what motivation Memphis would have to trade him now that they let Ed Davis walk. As near as I can tell, he is their 3rd big.

So this is my new order of preference:

Dieng
Biyombo
Mozgov
Koufos (not likely)
Brand
Okafor
Stiemsma
Ayon
O'Neal

After that, I might look at a guy like Jack Cooley.

Is there anyone else out there that I am missing? Any C/PF who is making less than $5M who could conceivably be available via trade?
 
Elton Brand would be a solid backup big. He's able to protect the rim and is capable of playing center despite being undersized.Last year he kept opposing players shooting 50% at the rim, the league average is 53%.Brand didn't play well in the playoffs for the Hawks and wasn't getting much burn in their series against the Pacers. He didn't fit the game plan of stretching the floor and drawing Hibert out of the paint.
 
I feel like if Okafor would agree to the minimum... my God...
 
Wonder if this thread will finally get more attention it deserves after Love trade.
1.Andy can not withstand a full season at center.
2.No word if Haywood can play back up minutes if needed due to injury and age.
3. TT in small stints is really not a great option as a backup.
4.No one on the summer league team stood out as an option.
5. Highly doubtful Dieng is coming back in the deal.
6. Love at the 5 only works in small stints.
7. Okafor and O'Neal as one year rentals dont seem to be in the plans.

The need is obvious, and since this a year that winning it all is a goal, I assume we have a specific target once the Love deal is over.
 
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