The ISIS offensive in Iraq

[gourimoko]

He did.

Oh... k.. I didn't realize those were racially, ethnically, or anti-religious attacks.

Kinda like Charlie Hebdo attacks right? Oh wait, but then I remember one of the victims was an Arab-Muslim. Hmm..

In the latter part of last year The Washington Times produced a letter written by Hasan to the pope which was titled “A Warning To Pope Francis, Members Of The Vatican, And Other Religious Leaders Around the World,” in which he embraced Jihad throughout.

"Embracing jihad" doesn't make you hateful; but I'm sure there was some hateful stuff in that letter.

Hell, I'm sure a guy who shot 13 people is a pretty hateful dude.

He has claimed numerous times to be a "soldier of Allah" which coincides with hate against any religion, race, or creed opposite of Islam.

No, it doesn't. My brother was a "soldier of Allah," and he wasn't a hateful person either. Just as my best friend's church group would call themselves "soldiers for Christ."

Was Hasan a hateful dude though? Yeah, probably. But when Army recruiters go out saying "Fight for Jesus, Soldiers for Christ," is that hateful too? I don't think so. I think it's stupid, but not hateful.

Quite frankly, I'm not sure why it matters

Then why write this long ass post?

but I find it interesting that you compare an insane lone gunman whom happens to be Muslim, to another insane person and point to it as if it means something.

Actually I didn't. Q-Tip did.

What's interesting is the fact that you thought it was me who brought it up, and then went out of your way to connect me to Hasan as if I'm sympathizing with ISIS or Al Qaeda.

Get a grip.

If you're going to say that the white guy who killed people because of their enthicity is apart of a bigger problem,

This came from where exactly? Lol.....

You got problems dude.. WTF are you talking about?

then you should be completely blown away by the acts of mass murder by people of Muslim faith in the United States (whom also happen to be of Arabic decent), even though they are 8.1% of the population.

Muslims aren't remotely close to 8.1% of the population, and murders by Muslims aren't remotely close to even being statistically significant.

Jesus Christ... But dont take my word for it.. Let's ask Wikipedia:

"Islam in the United States is the third-largest faith in America, afterChristianity and Judaism, representing 0.6% of the population."

So I guess that makes you out to be a liar?

This sounds like some more "no-go zone" fear mongering bullshit.

There have been more hate crimes that deal with religion by the Muslim population than by any other religion in the last 20 years.

Yeah, this is pure racist nonsense. No there hasn't. Not remotely. Not with Muslims being either victims or perpetrators.
The plurality of hate crimes in America have been and continue to be against Blacks, by Whites. In second are gays, by Whites. In third, Jews by Whites. Fourth, Whites by Blacks.

When drilling down and focusing by religion, anti-Muslim hate crimes are second to anti-Jewish hate crimes.

When focusing on the ethnicity or religion of the perpetrator, Muslims represent less than 0.1% of over 52,000 hate crime prosecutions since 2002.

When we normalize per capita, we see that hate crimes committed by a particular group isn't all that different between groups and no one group has a monopoly on hate. With that, Whites are still ahead of the pack with respect to Blacks and Latinos. Muslims are not a statistically significant proportion of the sample.

The majority target of that less than 0.1% of Muslim perpetrators of hate crimes? Jews and Sikhs.

tl;dr... you're lying. But don't take my world for it...

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Among the report’s findings for 2013:

• Of the 5,928 incidents reported, six were multiple-bias hate crime incidents involving 12 victims.
• Of the 5,922 single bias incidents reported, the top three bias categories were race (48.5 percent), sexual orientation (20.8 percent), and religion (17.4 percent).
• Of the reported 3,407 single-bias hate crime offenses that were racially motivated, 66.4 were motivated by anti-black or African-American bias, and 21.4 percent stemmed from anti-white bias.
• 60.6 percent of the reported 1,402 hate crime offenses based on sexual orientation were classified as anti-gay (male) bias.
• Law enforcement agencies identified 5,814 known offenders in the 5,928 bias-motivated incidents. Of these offenders, 52.4 percent were white and 24.3 percent were black or African-American.
• Of the 6,933 hate crime offenses reported in 2013, 63.9 percent were crimes against persons (e.g., intimidation, assaults, rapes, murders), while 35 percent were property crimes (mostly acts of destruction/damage/vandalism). The rest were considered crimes against society (like drug offenses or prostitution).

Again, I think Hasan is just a nutbag

Agreed. But I think Hasan's act is more significant because it was an act of terrorism in my book.

and I also think the white guy in this case is just a nutbag

..No doubt.

but that's without delving into the problems in the Middle East.

I don't know why or how the Middle East has anything to do with it.. that's why I thought Q-Tip's mentioning of Hasan was weird; just like you did. But you didn't quote him, you quoted me.

Why are Muslims, that happen to of Arab decent, committing more acts of violence based on religion in this country? It's a fair question that has an equally fair answer.

When did you stop beating your wife?

It's not a fair question because it's not based in reality. It's bullshit; racist bullshit, and it's beneath civilized discussion.

 

[gourimoko]

You brown motherfucker you.

Out of curiosity, you honestly don't think you're a racist? I've had multiple posters (more than 5) tell me they thought you were, and 4 of them are White, so I'm just curious.

 

[JSS2306]

Out of curiosity, you honestly don't think you're a racist? I've had multiple posters (more than 5) tell me they thought you were, and 4 of them are White, so I'm just curious.

I don't give a shit if 500 white guys tell you anything about my posts.

I have no interest in arguing or, for that matter, trying to prove any sort of point about how I'm not racist.

 

[gourimoko]

I don't give a shit if 500 white guys tell you anything about my posts.

I have no interest in arguing or, for that matter, trying to prove any sort of point about how I'm not racist.

Cool.. well you're racist.

 

[The Oi]

I've noticed over time that I'm actually very happy when minorities are successful/educated/well-spoken, moreso than whites who I really don't notice.

I think that's racist in a way.

 

[Chris]

I honestly think all of us have, at some point, displayed racist (however slight) tendencies. Sometimes it's even subconscious. I'm not going to sit here and act like I'm pure and pious and have never said or done anything remotely "racist." What a dumb term, anyways. At the same time I don't hate anybody purely because of their race so that's enough for me to sleep at night.

Anyways, continue on.

 

[kosis]

Why are Muslims, that happen to of Arab decent, committing more acts of violence based on religion in this country? It's a fair question that has an equally fair answer.

Which is what, in your mind?

 

[Sebastian]

Another shooting in Denmark. This time at a synagogue. One dead, two police wounded.

Suspects still at large.

Edit: Suspect in both attacks killed by police.

 

[JSS2306]

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[The Human Q-Tip]

Edit: Suspect in both attacks killed by police.

Clearly a hate crime.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Major Hasan didn't target people because of their race or religion, AFAIK, or are you saying he did?

I'd certainly say the evidence that he targeted his victims because of their religion is stronger than the evidence that the Chapel Hill shooter did so because of the race or religion of his victims. Simply put, I don't believe Major Hasan would have shot a group of soldiers he knew to be all Muslim.

Moreover, I don't see any justifiable moral distinction between killing someone because of your religious beliefs, and killing someone because of their religious beliefs. If you're willing to condemn a killing because it is anti-Muslim, you should be equally willing to condemn killings done in the name of Islam.

This President clearly is not. He is almost pathologically averse to labeling any killing as being done in the name of Islam, no matter how obvious the link is. As a matter of policy, he refuses to use a label such as "Islamic extremism." Yet, he clearly is willing to label and condemn anti-Muslim extremism. I think that's ridiculous, and send the wrong signals both domestically and internationally. So yes, it is a double standard.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Obama should not have implied this was a hate crime. No evidence yet exists to suggest it was.

He needs to stop making these types of statements that prejudice the judicial system.

Well, if his prior behavior is any indication, the chances of him stopping that are slim and none. He's gone out on a limb now three times in publicly assigning -- either directly or impliedly -- racial/religious motivations to crimes where courts have not backed up him. This incident may well be the fourth.

The infamous beer summit was the tipoff, where he reflexively condemned a police officer's act as racist when the only known facts were the races of the police officer and individual involved. When his accusation of racism was exposed as baseless, he tried to laugh it off as a misunderstanding, and pretended that it was of such little consequence that a beer would make it go away.

It's not something that should be laughed off. First, false accusations of racism are damaging to race relations. And second, he clearly has a bias in terms of when he makes these accusations because the perpetrators in each of these incidents were white, and the victims minorities. He doesn't do this when the issue is potential racial/religious violence in the U.S. against white people/Christians.

That's b.s., and it's racism/bigotry on his part that doesn't do a damn thing to resolve tensions. It fosters, both here and abroad, a false picture of racial/religious relations in this country. Erdogan doesn't speak out on every alleged religiously-motivated attack that happens in the world -- he spoke out on this Chapel Hill attack for a reason, and the President played right into his hands.

 

[Maximus]

ISIS BEHEADS 21 CHRISTIANS, PROMISES TO ‘CONQUER ROME, BY ALLAH’S PERMISSION’

ISIS/Al Hayat Media
by JORDAN SCHACHTEL15 Feb 2015Washington, D.C.2959

The Islamic State terror group released a video on Sunday showing the Islamic jihadis beheading 21 Egyptian Christians who were previously kidnapped in Libya.

The Egyptian Copts, who were dressed in prisoner-like orange jump suits, were lined up along a beach and abruptly beheaded in the graphic five-minute video.

The Islamic State’s Al Hayat Media, the group that has published the previous beheading videos in the Middle East, produced the Libya video titled, “A Message Signed With Blood To The Nation Of The Cross.”

“All praise is due to Allah the strong and mighty,” said an ISIS jihadist dressed in military fatigues in American-accented English. “And may blessings and peace be upon the ones sent by the sword as a mercy to all the worlds,” he added.

The masked ISIS member continues:

Oh people, recently you have seen us on the hills of Al-Sham and Dabiq’s plain, chopping off the heads that have been carrying the cross for a long time, and today, we are on the south of Rome, on the land of Islam, Libya, sending another message.

All crusaders: safety for you will be only wishes especially if you are fighting us all together. Therefore we will fight you all together. The sea you have hidden Sheikh Osama bin Laden’s body in, we swear to Allah we will mix it with your blood.

After the ISIS leader finishes speaking, his fellow terrorists then commence the beheading of the 21 Egyptian Christians. “And we will conquer Rome, by Allah’s permission, the promise of our Prophet, peace be upon him,” The militant leader says after his comrades slaughter the Christian hostages.

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi immediately brought in his national defense council after being notified about the brutal murder of the twenty-one Egyptians. “It is with deep sorrow that President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi mourns the Egyptian victims of an abhorrent act of terrorism in Libya and offers his deepest condolences to the Egyptian people for their grave loss,” said a statement from the Egyptian president’s office.

Libya has largely fallen into a state of civil war and complete lawlessness following the U.S.-led effort that ultimately deposed its late autocrat Muammar Gaddafi in 2011. Islamist militias, some of which have pledged allegiance to the Islamic State, have been fighting fierce battles against the forces of secular, anti-Islamist Libyan General Khalifa Haftar.

Follow Jordan on Twitter @JordanSchachtel

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

French PM Slams 'Islamo-Fascism,' is 'Under Jewish Influence'

Manual Valls comes out in support of French Jewry and criticizes Danish attacks - former FM Dumas says he 'is biased' by Jewish wife.

French Prime Minister Manuel Valls on Monday slammed the attacks in Denmark by Islamist terrorist Omar Abdel Hamid Hussein on Saturday, in which two people were murdered, as being an act of "Islamo-fascism."

Responding to the attacks in Copenhagen and the attacks on Paris last month, Valls said "to combat Islamo-fascism, for that is what it should be called, our strength must come from unity," reports AFP.

Valls also responded to Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's call for European Jews to come home to Israel in the face of widespread anti-Semitism and violence on the continent, noting Netanyahu is "in the middle of an election campaign."

"The place for French Jews is France," stressed Valls. France has been named as the West's most dangerous country for Jews, and anti-Semitism doubled there in 2014.

In response to the massive vandalism attack on Jewish graves in the region of Sarre-Union in Alsace on Monday, Valls condemned it as "an anti-Semitic and ignoble act."

After Valls made his comments calling on Jews to stay and criticizing "Islamo-fascism," former foreign minister Roland Dumas was asked in a radio interview on BFMTV whether the prime minister was "under Jewish influence." "Probably, he has personal relations that cause him to be biased. Everyone knows that he is married to someone, a respected person, by the way, who has influence over him," said Dumas, in an apparent allusion to Valls' Jewish wife, Anne Gravoin.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/191419#.VOI2Cps5BaR

Damn. Seems to me that the French PM spoke fairly well, including the diplomatic way in which he disagreed with Netanyahu's call for European Jews to go to Israel. So for that former FM to play the "Jewish Influence" card....I mean, damn, that's the kind of thing that makes Netenyahu's point seem stronger.

 

[Sebastian]

A very good, and long, read on what Daesh is really after. Evidently they mean to sack Constantinople and trigger the apocalypse. Guess they don't have history books over there because it's (Muslims conquering Constantinople and the Apple of the Earth) been done.

Article too long to post in entirety.


What is the Islamic State?

"Where did it come from, and what are its intentions? The simplicity of these questions can be deceiving, and few Western leaders seem to know the answers. In December, The New York Times published confidential comments by Major General Michael K. Nagata, the Special Operations commander for the United States in the Middle East, admitting that he had hardly begun figuring out the Islamic State’s appeal. “We have not defeated the idea,” he said. “We do not even understand the idea.” In the past year, President Obama has referred to the Islamic State, variously, as “not Islamic” and as al-Qaeda’s “jayvee team,” statements that reflected confusion about the group, and may have contributed to significant strategic errors.

The group seized Mosul, Iraq, last June, and already rules an area larger than the United Kingdom. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been its leader since May 2010, but until last summer, his most recent known appearance on film was a grainy mug shot from a stay in U.S. captivity at Camp Bucca during the occupation of Iraq. Then, on July 5 of last year, he stepped into the pulpit of the Great Mosque of al-Nuri in Mosul, to deliver a Ramadan sermon as the first caliph in generations—upgrading his resolution from grainy to high-definition, and his position from hunted guerrilla to commander of all Muslims. The inflow of jihadists that followed, from around the world, was unprecedented in its pace and volume, and is continuing.

Our ignorance of the Islamic State is in some ways understandable: It is a hermit kingdom; few have gone there and returned. Baghdadi has spoken on camera only once. But his address, and the Islamic State’s countless other propaganda videos and encyclicals, are online, and the caliphate’s supporters have toiled mightily to make their project knowable. We can gather that their state rejects peace as a matter of principle; that it hungers for genocide; that its religious views make it constitutionally incapable of certain types of change, even if that change might ensure its survival; and that it considers itself a harbinger of—and headline player in—the imminent end of the world.

The Islamic State, also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), follows a distinctive variety of Islam whose beliefs about the path to the Day of Judgment matter to its strategy, and can help the West know its enemy and predict its behavior. Its rise to power is less like the triumph of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt (a group whose leaders the Islamic State considers apostates) than like the realization of a dystopian alternate reality in which David Koresh or Jim Jones survived to wield absolute power over not just a few hundred people, but some 8 million..."

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/