The ISIS offensive in Iraq

[kosis]

You so desperately want me to have a stance to argue and I get that. I'm really sorry to disappoint, but I have no coherent explanation. Never said that I did. Why am I not allowed to not know? Just because I'm convinced that the video is fake does not mean I am held accountable for the rationale of it being fake.

I can gladly discuss Israel and Gaza because I have thoughts and opinions and evidence. I will readily admit that I have none of that here. I'd rather plead ignorance (not enough people do that on this board) than start lying out of my teeth to keep the argument flowing. Obviously, that's Foley in the video. I assume he's with ISIS.

The fact that there is not an ounce of blood on video is a red flag. The size of the knife is too. So is the fact that a group so experienced in doing this type of thing is essentially "unprepared" for this video (paraphrasing what you said). They could have filmed him dead after the fact. They could have done a dozen things to show what happened on video if the struggling was indeed what took them to black. They did none of that. The still image at the end is easily shopped.

And how are these forensic experts concluding that he's dead? From the photo? You raise some salient points in regards to the logistics of the situation and I understand your point of view, but in my eyes this looks like a poorly done film class project and I can't get past that. I was hoping to get more takes on who faked it/why it was faked, but if everyone sees the tape as legitimate, then I won't get that here. No big deal. Carry on.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

You so desperately want me to have a stance to argue and I get that. I'm really sorry to disappoint, but I have no coherent explanation. Never said that I did. Why am I not allowed to not know? Just because I'm convinced that the video is fake does not mean I am held accountable for the rationale of it being fake.

If you'd have said that ISIS edited the video, that's fine. But you tossed out accusations against the U.S. and Mossad. If you're going to do that, then you should at least have a theory at to how that could make sense. You don't even have that. You say "maybe it was the U.S., maybe Mossad", and then asked "how would that even be possible", you respond "I don't know." Which makes the initial comment a complete head-scratcher.

The fact that there is not an ounce of blood on video is a red flag. The size of the knife is too. So is the fact that a group so experienced in doing this type of thing is essentially "unprepared" for this video (paraphrasing what you said).They could have filmed him dead after the fact. They could have done a dozen things to show what happened on video if the struggling was indeed what took them to black. They did none of that. The still image at the end is easily shopped.

Nobody disputes that the video is edited. And if the point was to not show the struggle or how messy it got, then how could they have shown "what happened on video"?

And how are these forensic experts concluding that he's dead? From the photo?

I don't know -- I that's why they're the experts, and we're not.

You raise some salient points in regards to the logistics of the situation and I understand your point of view, but in my eyes this looks like a poorly done film class project and I can't get past that.

Is "salient" another word for "unanswerable"?

I was hoping to get more takes on who faked it/why it was faked, but if everyone sees the tape as legitimate, then I won't get that here. No big deal. Carry on.

I don't think anyone disputes that the tape has been edited in some way. I think where it gets squirrely is when you suggest that someone other than ISIS is responsible. And I'd agree it is at least theoretically possible that ISIS really didn't kill him, faked it, and that he's still alive. But aside from that not making much sense because of the absence of a plausible motive, that wasn't the direction you took this. I'll just leave it at that.

 

[kosis]

Your whole thing is to bait me into whatever argument you want to have. It's relatively tired at this point. My whole statement that started this:

Has anyone seen the Foley beheading video? I prefer to avoid because it would make me sick to my stomach, but a friend told me it was fake. Watched it and... it's incredibly fake. The question is what really happened to James Foley, and who was behind this elaborate video??

Your question to me:

But you claim it raises a "question", so okay, I'll bite. Who do you think faked it, and why would they do that?

Since you wanted me to start guessing, I included the entire Middle East, the US and Israel. I didn't take a leap by including all parties with some sort of stake in the current ME. ISIS included. But again, why would ISIS fake this one when they have beheaded others and could do the same here. I never came out making extravagant claims. My focus was to point out the fake nature and discuss potential reasoning if others were in accordance, which no one was.

Is "salient" another word for "unanswerable"?

Get over yourself, man. I've BEEN saying that they're unanswerable. How do you want me to spell it out? God forbid I actually give you credit for your reasoning. Never even disagreed. I think the video is fake and I think it's more than "ISIS just didn't feel like showing it this time". It was more a of a conversation starter rather than kosis trying to get one over on Q-Tip. I think you're opinions on Operation Protective Edge are borderline lunacy, but I'm not even mad at you in this one. I feel like something is missing in the story is all.

 

[Chris]

I don't get why they do these beheadings with a knife. Why do they not chop their heads off with a sword or something? Wouldn't that make them look more powerful and mighty rather than struggling to saw some guy's head off with a tiny blade?

These people are sick fucks.

 

[natedagg]

I don't see what kosis has done wrong here accept bring up his opinion that the video looks fake. He doesn't need a theory behind it. He thinks it looks fake. Why is that a problem? Can he call it like he sees it without the murder weapon and motive? It's a discussion, right? Jesus.

Here's a link that a reputable unidentified company claims it's staged: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journali.../Foley-murder-video-may-have-been-staged.html . Then again, without the company mentioned, it doesn't really help.

I am not using that as evidence to make a point, it just made me think of this thread.

I don't think it's far-fetched that he was already dead when they beheaded him. The blood, from a live man's blood pressure, should come out faster. Actually I have no idea, but that makes sense to me. He might have been more useful alive or maybe they tortured him too much, or maybe he killed himself as the ultimate "fuck you." I don't have a clue, but the answer doesn't have to involve a conspiracy.

 

[The Oi]

I don't get why they do these beheadings with a knife. Why do they not chop their heads off with a sword or something? Wouldn't that make them look more powerful and mighty rather than struggling to saw some guy's head off with a tiny blade?

These people are sick fucks.

I can say that it's much more visceral and infuriating to see the fear on the victims faces while they're having their heads sawed off. With a clean decapitation, the cut happens before the person even knows what happened. These people want to see fear while the cutting is happening.

 

[Chris]

I can say that it's much more visceral and infuriating to see the fear on the victims faces while they're having their heads sawed off. With a clean decapitation, the cut happens before the person even knows what happened. These people want to see fear while the cutting is happening.

Right, I figured it has something to do with making the person suffer which is just sick. Makes them look retarded though.

 

[Splitz]

Ok so, I've been reluctant to dive in but several years back, I watched a beheading video and it was easily the most disturbing thing I have seen. That video was most definitely real and the audio was honestly the most disturbing part. I have seen some shit in my life but that one impacted me and I'll never forget it. I haven't watched this latest one for that reason but I will say that for those that have watched it, it should leave no doubt whether it's real or not. If there is any question then I have to wonder how legit it actually is. I just can't bring myself to watch it.

EDIT: Sorry, I should have done more research or looked at the previous page. I didn't realize that the video doesn't actually show the beheading as it happens. That really surprises me.

 

[BMAN]

Tried watching it, stopped it when it was about to happen. Not too sure if I want to see a beheading, though I've seen a video of someone getting chainsawed to the neck soooo.

 

[Chris]

Tried watching it, stopped it when it was about to happen. Not too sure if I want to see a beheading, though I've seen a video of someone getting chainsawed to the neck soooo.

Mexican cartel executing a traitor or whatever? I saw that one ... I dont know why I watch these because I find it horrible. And I immediately regret it afterwards.

 

[Rich]

Ok so, I've been reluctant to dive in but several years back, I watched a beheading video and it was easily the most disturbing thing I have seen. That video was most definitely real and the audio was honestly the most disturbing part. I have seen some shit in my life but that one impacted me and I'll never forget it. I haven't watched this latest one for that reason but I will say that for those that have watched it, it should leave no doubt whether it's real or not. If there is any question then I have to wonder how legit it actually is. I just can't bring myself to watch it.

EDIT: Sorry, I should have done more research or looked at the previous page. I didn't realize that the video doesn't actually show the beheading as it happens. That really surprises me.

People out there doubt whether or not the Sandy Hook shooting happened. There are people who doubt everything.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I don't see what kosis has done wrong here accept bring up his opinion that the video looks fake. He doesn't need a theory behind it. He thinks it looks fake. Why is that a problem? Can he call it like he sees it without the murder weapon and motive? It's a discussion, right? Jesus.

The thing is that he didn't just say it looked fake. He explicitly invited theories as to who might have faked it, and when asked his opinion, the only two suspects he named were the U.S., and Mossad. Great. The jews again.

 

[kosis]

The thing is that he didn't just say it looked fake. He explicitly invited theories as to who might have faked it, and when asked his opinion, the only two suspects he named were the U.S., and Mossad. Great. The jews again.

HA!!

 

[BMAN]

Mexican cartel executing a traitor or whatever? I saw that one ... I dont know why I watch these because I find it horrible. And I immediately regret it afterwards.

Yep that was it. I think I saw it on here.

 

[The Oi]

More than the act itself, the fear in people's eyes as they're about to be killed sticks with me.

It makes me extremely angry when I see that shit.