The Jarvis Landry Thread: Bless 'Em

[CBBI]

Calm down, bruh.

No one is saying it's THE reason. No one's saying it's a bigger reason than Kitchens + Baker. We're just saying it helped. It's revitalizing. I say that from experience myself - being in a locker room with guys who are passionate vs. not passionate.

Hell, that goes with any job to be honest. We can disagree all night and day about how much impact it had on the W/L column (which would be fruitless), but to act like his passion is completely meaningless is another thing entirely. I'm quite perturbed that this is so difficult to grasp.

It didn't help though. That's my point. The proof is in the pudding. Landry was acquired in March. He was in the building for six months before the season ever started. He was there for OTAs. He was there for minicamp. He was there for training camp. He was there for the preseason. The team had a long time to absorb his "professionalism" and "passion" and what did they do (same for Tyrod if we're being honest)? They started 2-5-1 and looked like the same shitty old Browns from the previous 20 years.

If Landry's "leadership" actually had as much of a positive impact as some of you guys claim, it would have manifested itself among the group a lot sooner, would it have not?

Every single pass catcher on the team looked like shit (besides Higgins) before Kitchens took over. How on earth would that be the case with Landry teaching these guys how to be professionals and how to be winners?!

It's just nonsense.

 

[blommen]

If Landry's "leadership" actually had as much of a positive impact as some of you guys claim, it would have manifested itself among the group a lot sooner, would it have not?

Not necessarily. For all intents and purposes we could've been even worse off without Jarvis as one of the few stabilizing people in the locker room. You have an offense filled to the brim with young players and an OC who is actively politicking for HC gig, completely disregarding the offense. Like, no, Jarvis didn't turn all that into a positive. But I don't think it's outrageous to expect that his presence brought some much needed stability at a time where there was exceedingly little of it to find anywhere else.

 

[Randolphkeys]

One reason I really respect Phillip Rivers is that he consistently put up staggering passing numbers despite a generally below average stable of receivers. Vincent Jackson had a good year or two then went to Tampa. Keenan Allen is a beast when he is healthy, but that hasn't been consistent. Other than that, Rivers was flinging it to his buddy Antonio Gates, running backs, and milquetoast on the outside. Nothing wrong with pointing out the fact that football is a team game.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

It didn't help though. That's my point. The proof is in the pudding. Landry was acquired in March. He was in the building for six months before the season ever started. He was there for OTAs. He was there for minicamp. He was there for training camp. He was there for the preseason. The team had a long time to absorb his "professionalism" and "passion" and what did they do (same for Tyrod if we're being honest)? They started 2-5-1 and looked like the same shitty old Browns from the previous 20 years.

If Landry's "leadership" actually had as much of a positive impact as some of you guys claim, it would have manifested itself among the group a lot sooner, would it have not?

No.

Landry didn't have the authority to call plays, determine packages, whether to go for 1 or 2 points on conversations, etc.. Those were the things that causes us to lose games.

Where we can see the leadership is in guys not quitting despite the shitty management of the offense. And as soon as someone else came in to start calling games correctly, and fixed the other stupid shit that happened at the coach level, the receivers all responded immediately. That's all you can ask/expect of them.

When the guys at the top are fucked up, it's the job of lower-level leadership to make sure shit doesn't fall apart before the problems higher up get fixed. Those guys all did their jobs in that respect.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Jarvis Landry proving leadership, working out with Baker Mayfield and Odell Beckham Jr.

....So, all Browns fans can do, at least for now, is hope Mayfield puts in the work and continues to grow into his role as the future of the franchise. And it seems as if Landry is the veteran putting him on that right path.

Throughout the offseason Jarvis Landry has established himself as a leader in the Browns locker room. He has gathered his teammates, along with Tyrod Taylor, and has made sure they are developing the chemistry needed to become successful when the regular season begins. Whether it’s working out together in Orlando or working out at USC, Landry is making sure the Browns are ready to roll in 2019.

More importantly, Landry is striving to get Mayfield comfortable in the NFL. The transition from college to professional level is perhaps the most difficult of all sports. Especially for a quarterback. Even more so, a superstar quarterback taken with the first overall pick who is likely not starting anytime soon.

Cleveland’s receiver core is much better than previous seasons. And that certainly will help Mayfield’s progress, even if it’s just during practice. But the opportunity to workout with arguably the best wideout in the game is certainly more than ordinary. Odell Beckham Jr. has been an explosive and dynamic receiver since entering the league. He has played with two-time Super Bowl champion Eli Manning for the entire course of his career. The knowledge that New York Giants receiver holds is valuable for Mayfield in itself let alone preparing him to play at the next level. It’s a tremendous confidence boost as well, being praised by the likes of former LSU teammates Landry and Beckham.

The fact Landry is using his connections in the league to make Baker settle as a professional is special. And also, necessary. Essentially every Browns rookie quarterback since their return to Cleveland has been a bust. Although, most didn’t have someone like Landry to help them in the way he is helping Mayfield.

It’s a true display of leadership and the fact it’s happening with the Browns future franchise quarterback is simply refreshing. Hopefully, Mayfield continues to accept his role learning from the bench in his rookie season. Tyrod Taylor will be the starting quarterback for now, but Mayfield’s future is bright, especially with Landry in Cleveland.

https://armchairallamericans.com/jarvis-landry-proving-leadership/

 

[prf100]

Jarvis Landry was involved in critical plays and did the “smart thing” almost every time. He did have his mistakes (dropped surefire 90 yard TD against Balt at Balt, ugh), but I remember him being involved in a ton of critical moments, where he made really, really smart football plays (always knowing where the first down marker was). Plus, he got up in Carlos Dunlaps face when he late-hit Baker our of bounds.

Some call that type of stuff meaningless, but I disagree.

Yeah, that stats might say he’s overpaid (he is), and inefficient (I’ll take your word for it), but I remember him being involved in critical plays in a positive way all season. More than any other WR on the team.

Also, congrats to him on his pro bowl.

 

[Vee-Rex]

It didn't help though. That's my point. The proof is in the pudding. Landry was acquired in March. He was in the building for six months before the season ever started. He was there for OTAs. He was there for minicamp. He was there for training camp. He was there for the preseason. The team had a long time to absorb his "professionalism" and "passion" and what did they do (same for Tyrod if we're being honest)? They started 2-5-1 and looked like the same shitty old Browns from the previous 20 years.

If Landry's "leadership" actually had as much of a positive impact as some of you guys claim, it would have manifested itself among the group a lot sooner, would it have not?

Every single pass catcher on the team looked like shit (besides Higgins) before Kitchens took over. How on earth would that be the case with Landry teaching these guys how to be professionals and how to be winners?!

It's just nonsense.

You're either failing to see how something can matter without having a quantifiable means of measuring success, or you're just being stubborn because you already made your bed and now you're trying to live with it, Colin Cowherd-style.

I'm going to assume the former. But if it's the latter, please inform me so I can ignore this conversation.

Yes, 2-5-1 was not good, but answer these questions: could it have been worse? Could we have been 0-8? Who's to say that he didn't have a role in keeping our guys from completely sinking? Who's to say he didn't help Callaway GROW, or in the very least, keep from collapsing in the wake of a disastrous season prior to the firings?

Was there locker room complete madness while we were 2-5-1? No, it wasn't. How can you point at a man and say he had zero impact when you know absolutely nothing of what he may (or may not) have done to encourage the guys to keep playing hard? Cause Hue certainly wasn't doing that. Look at the Steelers - they finished 9-6-1 yet are a hot mess right now. How on earth can you not only assume that Landry's leadership was meaningless, but declare that the disappointing W/L record was PROOF that he didn't positively benefit the team?

How many times have you learned lessons that were taught to you long after it was taught and after many failures? Leadership isn't linear like that - there's real world examples of how someone's leadership may not have immediate impact.

My point is this: Neither you or I can say for SURE and 100% certainty that Landry's leadership had a positive and needed impact. I believe it does, you don't. But can we at least put away the declarative, know-it-all, it's-a-fact statements?

 

[CBBI]

Me to this thread.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsGibXpZn2U

We can talk about other stuff elsewhere. I've had my fill here.

 

[FiveThous]

One reason I really respect Phillip Rivers is that he consistently put up staggering passing numbers despite a generally below average stable of receivers. Vincent Jackson had a good year or two then went to Tampa. Keenan Allen is a beast when he is healthy, but that hasn't been consistent. Other than that, Rivers was flinging it to his buddy Antonio Gates, running backs, and milquetoast on the outside. Nothing wrong with pointing out the fact that football is a team game.

I had this theory a few years ago (a goof, admittedly) that Rivers could line up the local community college squad at WR and still throw for 300 yards. He's such a beast, but never seemed to have a good enough squad to take that jump to Elite team.

 

[Vee-Rex]

Me to this thread.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsGibXpZn2U

We can talk about other stuff elsewhere. I've had my fill here.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Every single pass catcher on the team looked like shit (besides Higgins) before Kitchens took over. How on earth would that be the case with Landry teaching these guys how to be professionals and how to be winners?!

Haley's playcalling was an abomination, and often resulted in forced passes in Landry's direction from a quarterback in Tyrod afraid to throw deep. I'm comfortable saying that Landry combined with the reunion with his college receiver coach Adam Henry helped develop a good receiver room. Calloway was a better player by week seventeen than he was the first four weeks. Brett Perriman revived a failing career. Long forgotten Derrick Willies flashed some serious upside until his steadily improving rookie year was cut short. Is it impossible that Higgins also benefitted from such a positive environment in the receiver room?

EDIT - Never mind, didn't realize you just Ray Liotta-ed elsewhere. I'm glad Chantix has given you a better life.

 

[Triplethreat]

When you got a mother fucker that spreads the bitch around the yard like Baker Mayfield you can expect your top WR not to have the greatest stat line ever.

 

[AZ_]

When you got a mother fucker that spreads the bitch around the yard like Baker Mayfield you can expect your top WR not to have the greatest stat line ever.

When has that been the case for others?

Rodgers always had Nelson and Adams performing at a high level.

When Brady had Moss, he put up insane numbers.

Antonio Brown

Michael Thomas


Real #1's get their numbers. Jarvis is never going to be that guy, but he's fine. They've got the cash for now, so he can continue being a leader and helping change the culture.

 

[Triplethreat]

When has that been the case for others?

Rodgers always had Nelson and Adams performing at a high level.

When Brady had Moss, he put up insane numbers.

Antonio Brown

Michael Thomas


Real #1's get their numbers. Jarvis is never going to be that guy, but he's fine. They've got the cash for now, so he can continue being a leader and helping change the culture.

Is Edelman a #1?

 

[Lee]

Landry was played out of position on the outside, he is a slot receiver. Yes he is overpaid, but if we keep Perriman and he continues to perform like he did, I expect Landry to played in the slot again allot more and Callaway, Perriman and Higgins to get the outside receiver looks.

This thread makes my head hurt. A team with a 76 million in cap space before we even cut Collins and any other dead wait and we are worried what we are paying our receiver who made the pro bowl? Yes he isn't really a pro bowl level receiver, but why worry about his cap number and if he is worth the contract even before we are in cap hell?

I bet in 2 more years he signs an extension and gets his contract reworked to make it cap friendly so we can keep our studs like baker, ward and myles. If not, cut him, by then he has already done his biggest job of changing the culture of the team and got over paid to do so.

But why is this a big deal?