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The Job Market w/o College

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Bill Walton., Nov 13, 2012.

  1. Bill Walton.

    Bill Walton. Luke, I am your Father

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    Considering the network of people we have on this site, I would like to have a conversation about possible routes to take in life to ensure a job. I went to Akron for a couple years and kinda fell into the bad habit of skipping class. The freedom was probably too much for me, but at the same time I've taken classes more recently with no distractions, but still fell into the bad habit. I'm currently enrolled, doing alright in my classes but a few of them I haven't been to in weeks. I'm no dummy, I just tend to kinda lose focus and fall back into bad patterns.

    I also have been diagnosed with major depression. Seen so many doctors etc. to try to "fix" me, but the same things keep happening and after a while I think it's finally time to admit that college may not be for me. Luckily for me, I come from a very supportive family who has paid for my college tuition, so college loans and other problems many of you deal with I don't. Sometimes I know I how lucky am I and truly feel like shit for destroying opportunities others would kill for. This past semester I tried to pay for my classes on my own from money I saved. I was hoping that this could possibly motivate me to remain interested in my classes. Halfway through the semester I haven't gone to many of my classes and am barely surviving in others. For some reason, these stupid letter grades don't motivate me.

    On the flip side, when I work, I work hard. I earn money, work harder than many others and try to show my worth at work. I pick up extra shifts, make good tips, and really do a great job with customers. the money motivates me. I sit back and see people I know, friends, finding jobs and making 30,000 a year or 50,000, out of college. I look at these people and know I am just as smart as them, just as social, and sometimes more professional. This sometimes hits me hard and really makes me pissed off. It all comes back to how I constantly mess up my situation. Here I am 24 and still not close to a degree, sitting at my parents house, answering the same questions. The situation has become exhausting. I sometimes wish I could just rewind my life and do things the right way, but I can't. I think if I work hard for the next 2 years maybe I can finally graduate. But then reality kicks in and I'm halfway through the semester looking to drop classes. Most of the time I just push them aside and take the F.

    I'm sick of it. I'm ready to give up and just go for a job without college. Last year I applied for a job in a union, working as an apprentice, in hopes of getting a job. I made it through a mechanical test, through the interview process, but then was told I didn't make it this year and too apply again next year. That would probably come up again in a few months, so I'll likely go this route again. Basically I'm using this thread to look into some members who have gone down this road. Especially someone who have been successful without college. It's just been really tough on me mentally as of late and i think hearing other people's success could help motivate me. Any suggestions are welcomed. I'm normally more of a joker on here, but this is something I could really use. I'm pretty simple, I'm not looking for 100 thousand a year, I just want a normal life with a normal family. I just want to be like everyone else and to be able to stop answering the same damn questions.
     
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  2. The Oi

    The Oi Or Also Schtick

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    I think you should look into two things:

    (1) Sales. Any sales. Who gives a shit...just try it out, even if it's commission only.

    (2) Trade school. At this point, you're talking less letter grade and more achievement and skill related reward. Look into specialties that are always hiring, but can't find qualified people. Max has posted about them multiple times.

    I just named the areas that are always hiring people. Look into it.
     
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  3. David.

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    those were my exact answers. Jigo and I agree.

    About sales though, there's a reason why they're always hiring. People get burnt the fuck out and your salary is the first thing to get cut if the company is looking to improve their bottom line (at least in my experience).
     
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  4. FiveThous

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    you could become a manwhore, or a "professional poker player" playing 1/2 NLHE
     
  5. The Oi

    The Oi Or Also Schtick

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    Yep. Sales is stressful...but if you're in the right type of sales you can make a lot of money and enjoy what you're doing. And generally...the first sales job is the worst. Gotta be prepared for that.

    Fact of the matter is...you could say what you said about almost any job. Jobs suck. :chuckles:

    But...a job is a job and money is money.
     
  6. cavsfan1985

    cavsfan1985 ^ kind of a big deal!

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    You should also look into the colleges that offer 8 week classes. When I got my MBA, I was able to take 8 week session, vs 16 week, and went from a low 3's GPA, to a 3.9. Might help with your level of commitment issues. Also, most jobs just require a degree, does not matter in what. So if you get a degree, going into sales could be very lucrative.
     
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  7. bigfoot5415

    bigfoot5415 The Original HN3108

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    Defiantly go the sales route. If you can see money is all that motivates you, then thats what you should aim for. You can go from company to company selling whatever you want, picking up commissions and experience. Some people relate sales to door to door or telemarketing, but B-2-B is a solid route and you can find great opportunities.
     
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    bigfoot5415 The Original HN3108

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    Same here. The 8 weeks keeps the pressure on. My GPA hasnt been less than 3.9 since summer and shortened classes.
     
  9. David.

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    I hated b2b. Lying to get past gatekeepers, no thanks
     
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    bigfoot5415 The Original HN3108

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    Curious, what industry?
     
  11. David.

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    it was remote it service
     
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    Gotcha.

    As for you Mr.Walton, if possible find something you can find passion in selling. It can make it a lot easier to get going.
     
  13. The Oi

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    First sales jobs suck...second sales jobs often suck too. Once you find an industry that you like and start making connections (and that's what really matters), by the third job you can generally choose your industry. You also need to document your achievements.

    If you don't have a sales personality- and you'll know if you do- go to vocational school.
     
  14. David.

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    Look for cable and satellite tv cal centers.easy gig and pays well
     
  15. Chardon

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    I'm thinking about getting into pharm sales after school to see how that pans out.
     
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    they normally go for girls for those jobs, and extremely outgoing ones
     
  17. JSS2306

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    If you're depressed sales wouldn't be your gig.

    I went to a cheap two year school for hvac. I ended up doing that for a couple years but got sick of going into 150 degree attics and nasty crawlspaces. I got into appliance repair due to my previous work history with hvac. Love it. I get a company vehicle, laptop, smart phone... the whole nine. We get monthly bonuses if we hit a certain number in repair sales and benefits.

    The point is, if you learn one trade you can use that to your advantage in other fields and industries. You can take it anywhere with you and you'll never have to worry about making shit money. I would say learn a trade and even if you don't like it then at least you always have that to fall back on.
     
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  18. DCunleaded

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    I bolted college a bit early, and I have found some nice niches in the work force. If it helps, great; if not, good luck.

    The OP mentioned serving/waiting tables, and being decent at it. Upscale restaurants are fantastic places to earn a legit living; if you are near a hotel/resort, find a steakhouse inside it and enjoy. Folks in the tourist/convention center areas near Orlando easily take home over $40K annual (with no state income tax), don't work nights, and only wait on 20-30 people a night. If you aren't near a tourist area, then find a Ruth Chris-type of steakhouse. I loved working in that particular restaurant industry, and it completely bankrolled me going to school during the day for my current career. Banquet serving is a little better money, but is pretty hard work, that I never enjoyed like I did working in steakhouses.

    I ended up taking EMT for a semester at community college, which was literally decided on a coin flip (real estate school or EMT school). During my EMT ride-alongs with Fire Department Paramedics, I got to see how several different FD shifts were.....then I was hooked! Fire school was about 400 total hours, which took about six months to finish. It takes a while to get an FD job currently (unless you are a paramedic), but I have the greatest job and schedule you can imagine. 24 hours on, 48 hours off, 18 shifts a year off; which means I work 102 days a year, not counting OT or sick days. Great comraderie, great job, fighting fire is awesome, helping folks is awesome; however, there is a ton of BS calls where people only call for a ride to the hospital, I am around more bodily waste and cat people than I'd ever imagine, and when bad calls happen it's tough to suck it up and keep going to calls. Most FD jobs start in the mid30s, and if you are in a state with a Union presence then the pay will increase quickly.
     
  19. MGMT

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    I recently applied for a sales position with manpower group which only required a GED. I have two bachelors degrees wtf. It didn't say experience was required and I thought I had a decent shot.

    Sad day.
     
  20. The Oi

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    I was in pharma sales for two years before getting into medical devices. Pharma is lucrative and medical device sales is even more lucrative. The problem with each industry is:

    Pharma- Made a lot of money as a top rep and the benefits were fantastic. Six figures if you're a very good rep and $80k+ if you're good. But...It's literally going out of style. Pharma reps are being phased out altogether. Layoffs are constant nowadays. Any major changes within the company result in layoffs a month later. Frankly, pharma reps are useless and they have a bad reputation for being lazy and passive in the sales world.

    Medical Device- Lot of travel for many of those gigs. Too much travel for me. I drove 50,000 miles in a year in that job and with health issues, my wife was terrified all the time that something would happen to me on the road. It was also extremely high stress aside from the driving, which is typical for a lot of medical device gigs. I got miserable making a lot of money and my wife was even moreso. There are medical device gigs where the reps work cases inside the hospital and they are far more lucrative and less stressful...but very time consuming. The time is worth it for the $250k a year many of them make.

    Medical device is what you should want and the way to get there is through B2B. You need to be aggressive, have at least 4 years of B2B experience, and- 99% of the time- white to get into medical devices.

    There's plenty of other avenues than either of those two, and I like what I'm doing now far more than either one of those, but those are the two I spent the most time in.
     
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