The Jonas V thread

[RchfldCavRaised]

Not every single fucking statement regarding Tristan has to include a comment about Jonas and vice-versa. Same goes for Dion and Drummond. Why can't we just watch players all over the league, including those who play for the Cavs, develop. Period. I'm intrigued by what Jonas may become. I love what I see Tristan becoming. I don't give a shit who was drafted or what not. It's over.

Jonas is going to be a quality big man in the NBA at minimum. I don't think he's good enough to be a centerpiece, however. I'd also like to see him take ownership of some sort of leadership role on that team off the court. It has to be well known in that locker room that he's the front office's golden boy.

Yes, you can see that on the court. Lowry, Gay and Derozan freeze him out for long periods of time. I wonder if there is a locker room veteran influence there. Casey is not as bad of a coach as he has looked this year and I think a big part of it is that his most mature players are guys like the immature Lowry and Amir Johnson. Ironically, Tyler Hansbrough was a pretty good signing for them, but Casey gets too caught up on playing him at center and Novak at PF to spread the floor for the wings who cant shoot.

Vazquez is his own kind of guy, not a follower and plays the game the right way though he's limited in athleticism. Good solid PG, a younger Livingston with better playmaking and less mobility. The sooner they trade Lowry, they will be a better team who moves the ball better on the offensive end. I think Derozan will have a high usage but he's not the kind of personality who clashes as much as Gaye and Lowry, at least I dont think from what I have seen of him. He's kind of a Kyrie kind of moody but much better off the ball and finishing.

As the locker room stabilizes, this kid will be fine. They need to hit the jackpot this summer in the lottery for sure, if they DID and got a guy like Wiggins I could see them having a good 2-3 pieces to start plugging in holes with. (JV, Ross or Derozan, #1 pick)

I cant stress enough that I LOVE Masaj Ujiri. I love Rich Cho too, and Bob Myers out in GSW. All three of those teams are clubs in good hands and I expect them all to be ok with their front offices as constructed.

But back to Jonas. His talent is there, and he needs the surroundings to be stronger to support his development now. He's on par to develop into a Hibbert kind of center, honestly.

 

[mAo_mAo]

Im just going to put this out there, you can send it right back... after the Cavs win a title OR after we get a new GM, Im pretty sure you and I should get an apartment together Mao Mao. :chuckles:

Sorry, Rch. I would have to decline. We share the same opinion too much and that would interfere with a healthy apartment sharing experience (countless arguments leading to hating each other). :chuckles:

Back to Jonas. I really think he could be a load in the paint in a few years just because he has a mean streak in him. He has the Joakim Noah irritability factor.

 

[Tornicade]

He asked for his post to not be read as any comparison or mention of Thompson.

For you to analyse Valanciunas for the player he is, not for the comparison to Thompson.

The very next post after he said that, was a statistical comparison of Thompson to Valanciunas.

Good job

Odd thing was. I wasnt gonna compared him to thompson until he brought up thompsons name. I had to see what he was trying to hide.

last year I was told i couldnt compare the two because he was a rookie. "let him get some games under his belt" yadda yadda. We all know that these Jonas and Drummond threads are meant to illustrate how grant "messed" up the draft. of course people dont want to see anything that might suggest otherwise.


ythese guys need to undergo the same scrutiny that they would have in a Cavs uniform. its only fair

 

[Derek]

You can compare them as much as you want as far as I'm concerned. I love Tristan, but I'd trade him for Jonas in a heartbeat.

 

[Rich]

So, is Amir Johnson just a better player? Rudy Gay leaves, Amir immediately looks a like a new man. Jonas looks about the same.

 

[Spencer Hawes]

So, is Amir Johnson just a better player? Rudy Gay leaves, Amir immediately looks a like a new man. Jonas looks about the same.

Amir Johnson was playing well before Gay got traded.

 

[Rich]

Amir Johnson was playing well before Gay got traded.

Not this well. He's been a whole different player since that deal.

 

[th1]

He played well, before Gay and is playing well after Gay again. It is hard for anyone to play well when Rudy bricks 30 shots a game while passing zero assists.

 

[Cashius X]

Jonas still isn't getting the touches he needs to be getting. I want to see what he can do if he got 15-20 fga a game.

 

[Birdy89]

Jonas had his best game of the year 2 nights ago with 18 & 13.

In the 5 games since the Rudy Gay trade he is averaging 13.8 points & 9.4 boards a game.

There has been a definite up-tick in his production, but as has been said he still doesn't get enough shots. He's only averaging 10.2 shots a game without Rudy to get his 13.8 pts.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

I can understand the Drummond thread, but why such a following for such a mediocre player?

 

[Pioneer10]

He doesn't look so mediocre anymore since they got rid of Gay, Mr. Black Hole.

 

[th1]

Came up with 16 points and 18 rebounds against NYK.

 

[Jstock12]

Seems like the short leash strategy has it's pros. Jonas is doing pretty good lately. Averaging 13.1ppg , 10.4rpg , 1.5 bpg in 31.5 mpg in last 10 games and together with K Lowry is vital to team's success (8-2 in last 10).

 

[Ruggeder]

Came up with 16 points and 18 rebounds against NYK.

Bennet could score two points against the Knicks, thats how bad they are. On the serious side though, I wish we had this guy.