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The Lebron Safari 2014™

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Would you welcome LBJ back?

  • Not a chance

    Votes: 231 27.5%
  • Sure, everyone deserves a second chance

    Votes: 435 51.7%
  • Not at first, but would warm to it

    Votes: 180 21.4%
  • Only if its in a year past 2014

    Votes: 17 2.0%

  • Total voters
    841
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Re: Lebron James Tweet- re "HomeSweetHome"

Don't forget to include this part...






Yeah the guys a dick but I'd rather him do something like this which will provide items for the kids education rather than just give bikes away.

Yeah. I'm damn sure his real motivation is to help the kids. Right. Just like his decision show was about the kids as well.

Again, someone needs to run him down on his bicycle.
 
Re: Lebron James Tweet- re "HomeSweetHome"

Well giving away bikes to those unfortuane enough not have one is still a really good deed and does promote physical fitness. This is also an important initiative as well. However, I think this is just a way to cover up the dwindling popularity of what was a ver popular even. As Doug said, just the same with "The Decision". Yes the Boys and Girls Clubs benefitted from it but overall it was a failed attempt to deflect the actual actions he was taking, which was embarassing a whole city on national TV.

Good for the kids though at least they are benefitting from this but I can see through the bullshit!
 
Re: Lebron James Tweet- re "HomeSweetHome"

I think white Akron hates him...black akron 75% still loves him(or did before crapped himself).
 
Re: Lebron James Tweet- re "HomeSweetHome"

Yeah. I'm damn sure his real motivation is to help the kids. Right. Just like his decision show was about the kids as well.

Again, someone needs to run him down on his bicycle.

I honestly don't care what his motivation is. The result is 360 3rd graders will be attending an educational camp to help them and wind up getting a laptop, school supplies and a bike. If he's doing it to try and paint himself in a better light, so be it. That's on him and what he's done. If it's my child in 3rd grade that benefits from the program that's the payoff I'm looking at.
 
Re: Lebron James Tweet- re "HomeSweetHome"

It's an indulgence, plain and simple.

"Here's some money, now can I get into heaven?"
 
Did LeBron make the right 'Decision?

I didn't see it posted anywhere else, excuse me if it has been.

Although I hate to dwell on the past I thought it was an interesting read. I have to say that there are many statements that I disagree with and come away feeling that many are glossing over the decisions #6 made with regard to his past. It being a bit slow out there this might give us some thing to talk about for a little while.

Originally Published: July 7, 2011
Did LeBron make the right 'Decision'?
5-on-5 roundtable: Looking back on the big choices made by James, Heat one year laterEmailPrintComments200ESPN.com


It's been almost a year since LeBron James began his roller-coaster ride with the Miami Heat by announcing to millions watching at home that he'd be taking "his talents to South Beach" to team up with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.

But now, with a season's worth of hindsight and more highs and lows than anyone could have imagined, would he and the Heat still make the same decision(s)?

We asked which LeBron-related questions you wanted answered by our 5-on-5 crew this week via Facebook and Twitter. Today, we look back at what could have been, and tomorrow we'll flash forward to what's in store in forthcoming seasons.

1. One year later: Was Miami LeBron's best option?
Submitted by Pedro Monteiro via the @NBAonESPN Twitter account.

Brian Windhorst, Heat Index: With their talent and system, the Bulls might be just a wing scorer away from being a championship team. That leads some to believe that, basketball-wise, Chicago might've been James' best option. But even if he and Dwyane Wade weren't a perfect fit on the floor, James clearly enjoys playing alongside his close friend.

When considering that, and the fact that James said he was drawn to a place he felt he could be most happy, perhaps Miami was truly the best choice for him.

Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak: No, but not for the reasons so many cite. For all its glitz, the Miami market is small. This means that LeBron has a smaller available fanbase, a smaller media megaphone. A large local following helps an image, as so many fans take up Internet arms to defend your legacy. Social media is force-multiplying these voices, and it's better to start with many. Chicago was the best choice, with the Knicks slightly losing out on account of being a total mess.

Rob Mahoney, Two-Man Game: Absolutely. Miami still provides a better supporting cast for James than any of his possible alternatives; Dwyane Wade is the best individual teammate LeBron could have had, and Chris Bosh, too, is a legitimate star. His team made it to the NBA Finals and will only get better as the years go on, further validating his choice with each future success.

Brendan Jackson, Celtics Hub: If James had gone to Chicago the Jordan comparisons would have never stopped. Still, James, Derrick Rose and Tom Thibodeau's defense could have done some amazing things together. James also would not have incurred the backlash he got for going to South Beach and teaming up with the already-formed duo of Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade.

Justin DeFeo, Nets Are Scorching: Yes. LeBron was two wins away from an NBA championship with Miami in their first season, and he's playing with the best teammates he's had in his career. It's hard to imagine him being closer to a title with any other team.

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2. One year later: Where would the Cavs be if LeBron never left?Submitted by Isaac from Cleveland via the @NBAonESPN Twitter account.

Brian Windhorst, Heat Index: The Cavs believe that if James re-signed, they could have pulled off a few things in free agency that would've made the team better. They had the framework of a sign-and-trade for Chris Bosh in place. More realistically, the Cavs felt they could've picked up a center to replace Shaquille O'Neal. They were also set to offer Mike Miller a deal, ironically.

So you would have had to consider them potential title contenders again. But with upgrades across the Eastern Conference, they probably would not have been the favorites.

Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak: They would be contending. Worse than they were in early 2010, but contending. The Cavs would be hindered by Antawn Jamison's defense, specifically. Power forwards cover more range than any other position, so it's hard to win when your 4 plays a dubious interpretation of his job on that end of the floor.

Rob Mahoney, Two-Man Game: They'd likely be in more or less the same place they were when he bolted. Cleveland didn't have a ton of pieces to deal, and though the Cavs as constructed were still contenders, who knows how those Cavs would have fared against the Celtics or Bulls. There's no question that Cleveland would have been a very good team with James still in tow, but contention comes with no guarantees.

Brendan Jackson, CelticsHub: No closer to winning a championship than they were in 2010. After they had re-signed James, the Cavaliers would have had to continue to rely on salary-cap exceptions to fill out the rest of their roster if they couldn't swing a trade. No one who made the mid-level exception this past season would have pushed the Cavaliers over the title-contention edge.

Justin DeFeo, Nets Are Scorching: Had LeBron stayed with Cleveland, I believe the Cavs would have kept the status quo and continued to roll out 60-win seasons. Barring injuries and a few roster tweaks, the Cavs would have continued to be one of the East's best teams.

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3. One year later: Should the Heat have signed a different Big Three?
Submitted by Richard Fajardo via the @NBAonESPN Twitter account.

Brian Windhorst, Heat Index: James, Wade and Bosh were always a package deal, so Miami didn't have options on the makeup of its star trio. But even if it did, the other marquee big men on the market, Carlos Boozer and Amare Stoudemire, have their negatives, too -- although Stoudemire's offensive game is certainly attractive.

An interesting idea would've been going in a different direction and splitting the money the Heat spent on Bosh among two players. In this case, Miami could have considered players like Luis Scola or Brendan Haywood instead and used the leftover cap space to bolster the team's suspect depth.

But all in all, the Heat were up 2-1 in the NBA Finals with a nine-point lead late in Game 4. In general, the experiment worked.

Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak: No, these guys would have won a title had LeBron been himself in the Finals. It's hard to do better than this, immediately after a free-agent haul. Though perhaps Miami should have signed Carlos Boozer. Just kidding.

Rob Mahoney, Two-Man Game: Nope. One could make the argument for Miami hypothetically replacing Chris Bosh with 2010 free agent Amare Stoudemire, but I think Bosh is a more sensible piece considering the role he's forced to fill. Miami grabbed the top two free agents on the market and the best complementary big man available -- hard to argue against those kinds of results.

Brendan Jackson, CelticsHub: I'm no Chris Bosh hater, but Amare Stoudemire can also hit the elbow jumper and his defense is just as questionable. Add the fact that his toughness is never in doubt and you're probably not hearing a lot of "crying in the locker room" stories. Maybe some tales from the trainer's table.

Justin DeFeo, Nets Are Scorching: The Heat shouldn't have signed a "Big Three" at all and instead stuck with a big two of James and Wade. They then should have spread out the money used on Bosh to several different free agents in order to form a more complete roster.

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4. One year later: What should LeBron have done differently?Submitted by Bobby Erickson via the NBA on ESPN Facebook page.

Brian Windhorst, Heat Index: From a courtesy standpoint, informing the Cavs before late on July 8 that he wasn't coming back might have softened the blow a bit. From a production standpoint, the format of "The Decision" show could have been altered to make it more attractive to the impartial viewer, and a more careful word choice -- something less self-serving than "I'm taking my talents to South Beach" -- could have helped as well.

No matter how James made the announcement, there were going to be many in spurned cities that were turned off. But it was the casual fan, many of whom had a positive view of James beforehand, who was alienated. That was also the largest segment of the audience.

Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak: For PR purposes? In my alternate universe, LeBron dryly signals the news over Twitter, then releases a heartfelt YouTube announcement directed toward Cavs fans. The clip serves to flatter Clevelanders -- while slyly shifting blame onto Dan Gilbert. Replace "I'm taking my talents to South Beach" with "I didn't see eye to eye with ownership, and we just couldn't work it out. I'm sorry, because you fans deserved better."

Rob Mahoney, Two-Man Game: Been a bit more tactful. There was nothing wrong with James leaving Cleveland or deciding to sign with Miami, but LeBron's horrible downward spiral in the court of public opinion began when he opted to turn his decision into an event. He dealt with the entire ordeal rather classlessly, and though players technically have no responsibility to anyone but themselves, there's still a certain decorum that should be followed when it comes to players making decisions that involve their long-time teams and the fan bases that so readily embraced them.

Brendan Jackson, CelticsHub: Signed wherever he wanted to with as much fanfare as most other free agents. "The Decision" was a colossal mistake for a player that should have been trying to dispel the notion that he wants to be anything other than a winning basketball player. Instead, he showed he wanted to be a TV and rock star all in one summer.

Justin DeFeo, Nets Are Scorching: Excuse the pun, but it was LeBron's "cavalier" attitude that led to so much animosity. Signing with Miami in a more humble manner, while also acknowledging his time in Cleveland with respect and appreciation to Cavaliers fans, would have gone a long way for LeBron's public perception. Oh, and not declaring his intention to win "not seven" championships.

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5. One year later: Will we ever forget "The Decision?"
Submitted by Miguel Garcia via the @NBAonESPN Twitter account.

Brian Windhorst, Heat Index: It was a cultural event that went beyond just NBA fans. It was and remains an event that many Americans know simply by name: The Decision. In a way, it wasn't unlike a verdict in a high-profile court case -- many people had an opinion on the outcome and were at least somewhat aware of the circumstances.

Because of that, it probably will not be forgotten for a long time. The real question is whether it will define James' career. That is up to him.

Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak: No. It's strange to me that we won't, but we can't. And if we do? Then this society is getting eerily good at making ephemera seem all-important in the moment.

Rob Mahoney, Two-Man Game: I doubt it. History may not remember every wrinkle of James' free agency, but it's hard to obscure something on such a large scale. The Decision was a depiction of the hyper-stereotyped modern athlete, fit perfectly for a time capsule. James' pedigree as a player stands on its own, but I doubt we'll ever forget his arrogance in that fateful summer of 2010.

Brendan Jackson, CelticsHub: Not a chance. The Decision was one of those moments in sports when everyone instantly formulated an opinion. If you liked James, you most likely applauded his ingenuity and/or his philanthropic intent. If you hated James, you most likely reviled his showmanship and/or arrogance. Moments that inspire such extreme emotion are not easily forgotten.

Justin DeFeo, Nets Are Scorching: Quite simply, no. The Decision and the Heat's subsequent season caused an unprecedented amount of interest in the league, and the ripple effects could change the way teams and players treat free agency in the immediate future. At this point, the only way for LeBron to change the narrative, even slightly, is to win a championship.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=5-on-5-110707
 
Re: Did LeBron make the right 'Decision?

Dead.
 
Re: Did LeBron make the right 'Decision?

I don't see how Chicago would have worked out better, but I suppose a lot depended on what they did with Deng and whether they could turn his contract in to Loozer, or a shooting guard.

The interesting thing is how would they have shared the ball? Would they have tried to force James to play off the ball more?

If so, they may have either force-fed a great breakthrough in his career, or created an unmitigated disaster as LeBron spent the season camping out at the 3pt line pouting.
 
The guy who wears #6 in Miami

Threads about him keep popping up, so I'm going to dump them in this collective thread.
 
Re: Did LeBron make the right 'Decision?

Why am I the only one that thinks the Cavs with James would've won the East and probably rather easily even.
The Heat were benefactors of two Eastern conference GM's losing their mind (Smith in Orland and Ainge in Boston) and making trades that destroyed their teams. Orlando and Boston had only lost to each other over the last 4 yrs of the Eastern conference play-offs and neither team was who they were when the Cavs lost to them in play-offs.

The Boston team that LeBron cried about beating was no where near the teams he lost to in Cleveland. This team had no Kendrick Perkins making life miserable for our opposing centers in the paint, no Rasheed Wallace, Tony Allen (who killed us), PJ Brown, Eddie House, Nate Robinson etc...coming off their bench. And the lone hold over was Big Baby who also was a shell of himself. The bench was a mess and didn't have ample time to get a rotation of guys that had been used to playing with each other. You could see that Rivers was clearly searching for combinations off the bench in the Heat series.
KG was old and looked every bit of it...and the kicker!!!! Rondo was injured and playing 1 armed in game 3. If the Cavs from either of the last 3 seasons played this Boston team they would have beat them in 4-5 games in my opinion. And yes I'm including the 45 win team because they took Boston to 7 the year Boston won the championship.

As for Orlando, simple and plain: THEY WERE A FUCKIN MESS!!! Fat Hedo Turkoglu, Gilbert Arenas who was a bad fit, and no roided up Rashard Lewis. Add to that no Pietrus, Lee, or Gortat who killed us off the bench. All of those guys are now gone!!!!

Moving on to the Bulls....I'll make this simple. Rose couldn't score on LeBron and they couldn't stop LeBron down the stretch. So basically it would been reminicent to playing the Pistons with low 80's score but our star player scoring in the end and their star player not scoring which would lead to us winning grind out games. We saw this play itself out in the Eastern conference finals.

Atlanta well we own Atlanta...LOL

As for the other 3play-off teams, last years Cavs after the Baron Davis trade would've pushed all of them to 6 games :chuckles:

Add to all of the fact that we would have possibly had Chris Bosh who would've played a better role here because he would've been the definite #2 option...

I just don't see how these "experts" (and I use this term losely) could say that we would'nt have run roughshod over the Eastern Conference. I don't know if we would've beaten Dallas though.

Windhorst disappoints me because he should know better. And it pisses me the fuck off that I've never seen these points made in the national media once!!! Especially when every one tried to say LeBron vindicated his decision by making it past Boston.

Am I being overly optimistic by thinking this???
 
Re: The guy who wears #6 in Miami

I think you make some solid points Prime, except Orlando and Boston may have approached things differently if Miami hadn't formed. And where would Wade have ended up? What if he ended up on the Bulls? LeBron wouldn't be able to defend both Rose and Wade ...

And maybe Sterling was desperate enough that this wouldn't have been a concern, but it's possible that he wouldn't have sent us Baron and the lottery pick for Mo if we were still contending.
 
Re: The guy who wears #6 in Miami

Those are good points Jon. I guess it would've been interesting to say the least.

I just hate when they try to make it seem like the Heat had the same competion level as the Cavs did from 2007-2010 in the play-offs.
 
Re: Lebron James Tweet- re "HomeSweetHome"

I want the Mayor of Akron to shut up and just go away. Big o'l writeup on the Bite-a-thon crap. 20 kids picked by James? WTF is that? Someone needs to go to this and run him down on his bicycle.

http://www.cleveland.com/lebron/index.ssf/2011/07/lebron_james_increasing_involv.html



LeBron to less than fortunate kids after the bike ride:

"Good bike ride guys, just always remember one thing in life............. tomorrow you are going to wake up with the same problems."
 
Re: The guy who wears #6 in Miami

The Cavs would not have won with LeBron, period. The idea that we would have titles with him is officially dead in my mind - so much so that his "Decision" no longer even bothers me. He has really shown he's not ready for the big stage, when it demands the biggest performance. Whatever happened vs. Boston, it happened against vs. Dallas, and it won't be LeBron that cracks the code - it will be Wade, et al., for LeBron.

The guy is a fraud, plain and simple. He was not who he claimed to be, and who we mistakenly thought he was.
 
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