Cedi Osman Goodbye & Good Luck

[Douglar]

I actually like Cedi but my expectations have tempered greatly with him. I thought he had the potential to be a starter on a playoff team but now I see roleplayer
The rest of the team outside of Nance I hate with the passion and that pretty much includes the FO

Come on- You don't hate Delly, do you?

But I completely agree with the Cedi assessment. I was very curious to see what we would get when he was no longer an energy guy off the bench and became a starter that opponents game planned against in advance.

I think it's clear at this point of the season that Cedi is still good in transition. He's skilled enough that you can't completely slack off him on defense. But it's also clear that he lacks the ability to break down a set defense that is ready for him. He's not horrible on offense, but he's never going to be a first, second or third option. That's was a bit disappointing, but not really unexpected.

What is more troubling is that opposing offenses have learned how to regularly exploit him on defense. Cedi is liability when defending starting NBA talent for an extended period of time. Last year he was great when he did like Miley Cyrus and came in like a wrecking ball. His defense is just not acceptable for an NBA starter who lacks the ability to create his own shot. Could be coaching this year that is hurting his defense or it could be why he couldn't earn any playoff minutes last spring. Cedi can't be anything more on an average NBA team than an energy 7th man until he improves his defense.

 

[Cavatt]

Come on- You don't hate Delly, do you?

But I completely agree with the Cedi assessment. I was very curious to see what we would get when he was no longer an energy guy off the bench and became a starter that opponents game planned against in advance.

I think it's clear at this point of the season that Cedi is still good in transition. He's skilled enough that you can't completely slack off him on defense. But it's also clear that he lacks the ability to break down a set defense that is ready for him. He's not horrible on offense, but he's never going to be a first, second or third option. That's was a bit disappointing, but not really unexpected.

What is more troubling is that opposing offenses have learned how to regularly exploit him on defense. Cedi is liability when defending starting NBA talent for an extended period of time. Last year he was great when he did like Miley Cyrus and came in like a wrecking ball. His defense is just not acceptable for an NBA starter who lacks the ability to create his own shot. Could be coaching this year that is hurting his defense or it could be why he couldn't earn any playoff minutes last spring. Cedi can't be anything more on an average NBA team than an energy 7th man until he improves his defense.

Whose a good defender on this team? Nwaba is the only one with good numbers.

Like Nance and Tristan, Cedi often helps to stop his man and no one helps him and he gets dunked on. He did 2 different chasedowns last night that prevented the fast break man from scoring.

Evaluating anyone defensively on this team is an exercise in futility.

We have the worst defensive coordinator in the league who has been on duty over a steady decline in defensive efficiency no matter the personnel for 3 years and now has the dubious distinction of being the worst defensive coach of all time with a historically bad defensive team. We have seen before where good defensive players stop giving effort when their help defense leaves them continually on an island.

 

[Douglar]

We have the worst defensive coordinator in the league who has been on duty over a steady decline in defensive efficiency no matter the personnel for 3 years and now has the dubious distinction of being the worst defensive coach of all time with a historically bad defensive team. We have seen before where good defensive players stop giving effort when their help defense leaves them continually on an island.

The coaches mostly suck, but everyone on the team shares the same sucky coaches.

Cavs opponents score an astounding 11.6 more points per 100 possessions when Cedi on the floor ( 125.4 vs 113.8 ) Cavs still have have a bottom 5 defense when Cedi sits but the Cavs have one of the worst defenses in NBA history when Cedi is on the floor. Can't blame all of that on the coaches. No one else on the team comes close Cedi's defensive on/off, even players that share a lot of minutes with Cedi.

 

[Cavatt]

The coaches mostly suck, but everyone on the team shares the same sucky coaches.

Cavs opponents score an astounding 11.6 more points per 100 possessions when Cedi on the floor ( 125.4 vs 113.8 ) Cavs still have have a bottom 5 defense when Cedi sits but the Cavs have one of the worst defenses in NBA history when Cedi is on the floor. Can't blame all of that on the coaches. No one else on the team comes close Cedi's defensive on/off, even players that share a lot of minutes with Cedi.

I can blame an awful lot on a defensive coach whose defense had degraded every year he has been with the team no matter who he has to work with and heads up the worst defense in NBA history.

Cedi was a positive defender last year, he didn't forget how to play D, but he may be asked to do things he is not as good at like guard 4's.

 

[Pioneer10]

Come on- You don't hate Delly, do you?

But I completely agree with the Cedi assessment. I was very curious to see what we would get when he was no longer an energy guy off the bench and became a starter that opponents game planned against in advance.

I think it's clear at this point of the season that Cedi is still good in transition. He's skilled enough that you can't completely slack off him on defense. But it's also clear that he lacks the ability to break down a set defense that is ready for him. He's not horrible on offense, but he's never going to be a first, second or third option. That's was a bit disappointing, but not really unexpected.

What is more troubling is that opposing offenses have learned how to regularly exploit him on defense. Cedi is liability when defending starting NBA talent for an extended period of time. Last year he was great when he did like Miley Cyrus and came in like a wrecking ball. His defense is just not acceptable for an NBA starter who lacks the ability to create his own shot. Could be coaching this year that is hurting his defense or it could be why he couldn't earn any playoff minutes last spring. Cedi can't be anything more on an average NBA team than an energy 7th man until he improves his defense.

Sorry love Delly his athletic limitations and his inability to make it on the Bucks roster does make me question whether he can be regular rotation on most playoff caliber team. OTOH he does provide obvious value so he will no doubt have a long fruitful NBA career. I'm confident that Nance would work his way into almost any teams rotation

 

[greenlaker]

The coaches mostly suck, but everyone on the team shares the same sucky coaches.

Cavs opponents score an astounding 11.6 more points per 100 possessions when Cedi on the floor ( 125.4 vs 113.8 ) Cavs still have have a bottom 5 defense when Cedi sits but the Cavs have one of the worst defenses in NBA history when Cedi is on the floor. Can't blame all of that on the coaches. No one else on the team comes close Cedi's defensive on/off, even players that share a lot of minutes with Cedi.

You look at a stat. But it is just a stat, what causes that stat is there to interpret. So if you think it is because of Cedi's bad defense, it should not be hard to give specific examples from games where Cedi hurts the team more than others. I think this is not the case though. I watch a lot of games, I don't see Cedi standing out as a bad defender with particular repeating mistakes. Actually I would say defense is one of his stronger suits.

And I think these stats are much harder to interpret for this particular team because of the historically bad coaching. I have come to watch Cavs because of Cedi and liked them because of this forum. But the coaching is really unbearable in every way.

 

[WorldFreeB]

You look at a stat. But it is just a stat, what causes that stat is there to interpret. So if you think it is because of Cedi's bad defense, it should not be hard to give specific examples from games where Cedi hurts the team more than others. I think this is not the case though. I watch a lot of games, I don't see Cedi standing out as a bad defender with particular repeating mistakes. Actually I would say defense is one of his stronger suits.

And I think these stats are much harder to interpret for this particular team because of the historically bad coaching. I have come to watch Cavs because of Cedi and liked them because of this forum. But the coaching is really unbearable in every way.

What I see when I watch is Cedi cheats to the lane so much that he doesn't get back out to the 3 point line quick enough to defend it all the time. He just ends up flying at guys and not defending the 3 as well as he could.
I don't know if the cavs coaches want him to do this or its what he did when he played internationally. You can get away with that stuff on the national team but not in the nba. I still think he is a plus defender but I would like to see him stick to his man out there a bit more and forget about helping off the ball so drastically.

 

[Cavatt]

What I see when I watch is Cedi cheats to the lane so much that he doesn't get back out to the 3 point line quick enough to defend it all the time. He just ends up flying at guys and not defending the 3 as well as he could.
I don't know if the cavs coaches want him to do this or its what he did when he played internationally. You can get away with that stuff on the national team but not in the nba. I still think he is a plus defender but I would like to see him stick to his man out there a bit more and forget about helping off the ball so drastically.

The help doesn't work because they cannot consistently help the helper and this is a problem with Longabardi's defense. The secondary help never comes. It overly relies on help, so guys are constantly out of position.

The guards definitely allow too much penetration on the reg.

They should really run a less complicated scheme that makes guys more accountable. It seems like every point blank attempt at the rim is a help breakdown, which is what offenses are suppose to exploit, but not to this extent.

 

[Douglar]

What I see when I watch is Cedi cheats to the lane so much that he doesn't get back out to the 3 point line quick enough to defend it all the time. He just ends up flying at guys and not defending the 3 as well as he could.

I agree. He's too far off his man on the perimeter. Maybe he's coached to do it. Maybe he has to do it to prevent his many from getting by him.

The stats back that up.

Opponents guarded by Cedi shoot 41.4% from 25+ feet, which is the worst for active players on the team. He's worse at closing out than Channing Frye, whose feet move like he's wearing cinder block sneakers these days. Consider that Delly's opponent only averages 26.7% from deep.

Opponents also take more long range shots against Cedi than they do any other player on the team. Sometimes he's targeted. Sometimes his man is just open.

Opponents guarded by Cedi also take more shots within within 5 feet of the hoop than they do against any other player on the Cavs and they hit them at a very high percentage (67.3%) when guarded by Cedi compared to most other Cavs defenders guarding shots within 5 feet of the hoop.

Cedi doesn't foul very much considering the number of shots taken by his opponent.

 

[greenlaker]

I agree. He's too far off his man on the perimeter. Maybe he's coached to do it. Maybe he has to do it to prevent his many from getting by him.

The stats back that up.

Opponents guarded by Cedi shoot 41.4% from 25+ feet, which is the worst for active players on the team. He's worse at closing out than Channing Frye, whose feet move like he's wearing cinder block sneakers these days. Consider that Delly's opponent only averages 26.7% from deep.

Opponents also take more long range shots against Cedi than they do any other player on the team. Sometimes he's targeted. Sometimes his man is just open.

Opponents guarded by Cedi also take more shots within within 5 feet of the hoop than they do against any other player on the Cavs and they hit them at a very high percentage (67.3%) when guarded by Cedi compared to most other Cavs defenders guarding shots within 5 feet of the hoop.

Cedi doesn't foul very much considering the number of shots taken by his opponent.

Let me watch the next few games with these in mind. As I said, I never thought he is sticking out as a bad defender. But the way you describe it here is as if he is just letting everyone go. I thought that was Clarkson, lol.

 

[Naumoski]

Cedi Osman Seen Working Out With Former Utah Jazz All-Star Mehmet Okur


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmSrsXgBvLg

 

[Stark]

I've watched pretty much every minute of every game all season long. Cedi's defense is fine. He's just as good as last year, except now he just doesn't have any help on the back end and has a bunch of uninterested teammates (Clarkson, Hood, Payne, etc.) covering his ass on the perimeter.

He's near the bottom of our defensive problems right now. He's playing with heart and cohesion and just getting next to no support.

 

[Cavatt]

I've watched pretty much every minute of every game all season long. Cedi's defense is fine. He's just as good as last year, except now he just doesn't have any help on the back end and has a bunch of uninterested teammates (Clarkson, Hood, Payne, etc.) covering his ass on the perimeter.

He's near the bottom of our defensive problems right now. He's playing with heart and cohesion and just getting next to no support.

Today Cedi playing with Collin was really good. They were taking off on the break and no one would get it ahead. TT took a rebound away from Cedi to slow it down when they were rolling. Kevin Love could really get it ahead to either guy.

I really like those 2 guys working together and running. Collin had a sick left handed pass get both of these guys some smarter players to play with.

Also, Cedi had some great d on Harden that just failed to slow him down. He can stay in front of a guy, but he can be pushed out of the way right now.

I'm looking at his game and seeing a dude who really improved his free throw percentage at a late age and has added genuine LeBron moves to his arsenal.

Cedi can be very good. Right now he is playing a lot of 4

 

[CEDI]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJL3WybpREM&ab_channel=ZelimirHBK


Cedi vs Rockets

He had 27 minutes, 6/7 2p, 0/3 3p, 3/3 ft.

In total; 15 pts, 3 rbd, 1 ass, 1 steal, and 2 turnovers.

 

[Jordan]

A big reason why Cedi’s advanced stats are terrible is that he’s constantly guarding the best wing and is being asked to do too much on offense.

Anybody who watches sees that Cedi is a rotational player for a good team... he’s just never going to be able to defend the other team’s best scorer the entire game or lead an offense for small stretches.