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If the Browns can't get RG3 for whatever reason, would you want Matt Flynn?

  • YES

    Votes: 35 44.9%
  • NO

    Votes: 43 55.1%

  • Total voters
    78
What sucks is that as scared as I am of Flynn, if we are determined to add a QB with starting potential, I'd rather have Flynn than either Tannehill or Weeden. At least with Flynn (so long as we can structure the contract well), if he sucks we can dump his ass and just take a cap hit like the Cards are probably doing with Kolb. With Tannehill/Weeden, there's a long term commitment and a high draft pick cost. If we're going to commit to someone like that, I'd rather they be a stud and not just the "best of the rest".
 
The alternative here would be to draft a couple playmakers and...gulp...give McCoy a chance...
 
McCoy has been given a chance and he failed spectacularly.

Albeit with shitty talent around him.

Granted, I'm really not in love with the guy. But what failure he had last year, he had with crappy talent. Give the guy a legitimate #1 receiver and a stable running back situation and see how he does. This would be the do or die year by my estimation. With RG3 off the table, I'm really leaning towards building up the offense a little bit and giving Colt one last shot. What can it hurt?
 
Like GreasySpread said, ABC (Anyone But Colt).

If we don't find anyone to sign, im praying Thaddeus Lewis beats him out in training camp.
 
Like GreasySpread said, ABC (Anyone But Colt).

If we don't find anyone to sign, im praying Thaddeus Lewis beats him out in training camp.

So you can bitch about him too?
 
I'm not a Flynn fan by any means but in regards to KC Joyner using advanced stats to call him a bust, I think this article should be brought up too in fairness (article by FootballOutsiders):

Week 17 Quick Reads
by Vince Verhei

Quarterback Matt Flynn threw for 480 yards and six touchdowns against Detroit yesterday, setting Green Bay Packers benchmarks in both categories. As Flynn passed names like Bart Starr, Brett Favre, and Aaron Rodgers (not to mention 4,000-yard passers Lynn Dickey and Don Majkowski) in the Green Bay record books, he clearly played the best game of any passer this week, but where does it rank on the all-time list? And as Flynn enters free agency, what can it tell us about his future potential?

Flynn completed 31-of-44 passes with three sacks, one fumble, and one interception against Detroit. Combined with a couple of rushing plays, that all worked out to 290 DYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement - more info available here). That's the third-best game of year - Drew Brees' 412-yard, 5-touchdown game against Minnesota in Week 15 is still tops, and Tom Brady's 361-yard, 3-touchdown performance against Philadelphia in Week 12 is second. No other quarterbacks, though, have played a game this good all season. Not Ben Roethlisberger. Not Philip Rivers. Not Tony Romo or Matt Ryan or Eli Manning or Cam Newton. Not even Aaron Rodgers has played this well in 2011.

Football Outsiders' play-by-play database goes back to 1992, and Flynn's game against Detroit ranks as the 15th best game in that timeframe. The best game belongs to Trent Green, who in 2002 threw five touchdowns against a Miami team that only gave up 20 passing scores all year. Four former Super Bowl winners make the top-15 list: Brady (five times), Brees (three times), Peyton Manning, and Ben Roethlisberger.

Maybe Flynn will never win a Super Bowl like those men did. So let's not look at the best quarterbacks who have played this well, let's look instead at the worst quarterbacks to ever hit 290 DYAR in a game. In alphabetical order, that leaves us with Marc Bulger, Randall Cunningham, Green, and Scott Mitchell. The first three names of that list were Pro Bowlers, and the fourth was essentially a league-average starter for a half-decade in the mid-'90s.

Going a little further down the list, down to the 260-DYAR level, gives us more of the same: Pro Bowl quarterback after Pro Bowl quarterback, from Rodgers to Matt Hasselbeck to Carson Palmer to Rich Gannon to Steve Young to Drew Bledsoe to Bobby Hebert to Troy Aikman to Neil O'Donnell to Daunte Culpepper to Jeff Garcia. Obviously, some of those names are a lot better than others, but with the exception of Mitchell, every quarterback who has ever played even one game anywhere near Flynn's level played in Hawaii at least once in their careers. It's only one game, but the simple fact is that mediocre quarterbacks are almost never this good.

On the other hand, it's not the first start of Flynn's career. Last year, Flynn started in Foxborough and completed 65 percent of his passes with three touchdowns. New England's weak secondary had a lot to do with that, but it's still not a game that looks bad on a quarterback's resume.

Matt Flynn is 26 years old. He has four years of apprenticeship on one of the best offenses in the league. His ceiling is Hall of Famer; his realistic floor is Pro Bowler. That's got to be worth more than an unproven rookie, doesn't it?

Flynn is about to enter free agency, but the Packers would never be foolish enough to let him walk away for nothing. They're sure to franchise him and trade him away for picks, just like New England did with Matt Cassel. The Pats sent Cassel and Mike Vrabel to Kansas City for a second-round pick. Given how many teams are desperate for quality passing - Seattle, Miami, and Washington, to name some of the top candidates - the Pack are bound to get more than that for Flynn. Any team that gets Flynn for a first-round pick, though, will have gotten quite a bargain.

1. Matt Flynn (GB) - 31/44, 480 yards, 6 TDs, 1 INT, 290 (total DYAR), 295 (pass DYAR), -5 (run DYAR)

We just talked a lot about how good this game was. Well, here's a little more: On deep passes (more than 15 yards past the line of scrimmage), Flynn went 5-of-7 for 168 yards and two touchdowns, and also drew a 21-yard DPI call.

BTW---I found it funny FBO's similarity score for Flynn is Kelly Holcomb (based on the stats he's put up)...
 
Albeit with shitty talent around him.

Granted, I'm really not in love with the guy. But what failure he had last year, he had with crappy talent. Give the guy a legitimate #1 receiver and a stable running back situation and see how he does. This would be the do or die year by my estimation. With RG3 off the table, I'm really leaning towards building up the offense a little bit and giving Colt one last shot. What can it hurt?

Name me a single team that the talent made the QB better and that the QB didn't make the talent around them better? Did the Colts have superior talent to the Browns? What about Carolina? They had pretty much the same talent with Clausen that they did with Cam Newton. Clausen was very McCoy like in his 1 season (13 games) that Steve Smith barely broke 500 yards receiving. Everyone said smith was done. This was the 2010 Panthers Scored 196 points (12.2/g), 32nd of 32 in the NFL. Steve Smith, Brandon Lafell and David Gettis were your WRs. No one broke 600 yards receiving.

In 2011 Steve Smith had 1394 yards receivng. Gettis wasn't on the team and Lafell had 613 yards. They also doubled their point total from 196 to over 400. Only major change was adding the QB. Otherwise what did they do differently that Smith couldn't hit 600 yards receiving with Clausen but hit over 1000 with Newton (both rookies)?
 
The alternative here would be to draft a couple playmakers and...gulp...give McCoy a chance...

All things considered, this is probably the most sensible solution although I would definately like to have a solid plan B if McCoy year 3 nets more failure!! What are you gonna do?? Defense is really a focus now!
 
All things considered, this is probably the most sensible solution although I would definately like to have a solid plan B if McCoy year 3 nets more failure!! What are you gonna do?? Defense is really a focus now!

The problem is you need a defense so good it can allow less than 13 points per game. That is all you are going to get with McCoy (on average) so even the best defense in the NFL last year wouldn't have faired that much better (Pittsburg who gave up 14.1 points per game).

Still a point differential to around 1 point per game.
 
looks like people don't want Flynn or tannehill. that mean people want McCoy for another year
 
So there are 2 polls out there now for our next QB. This poll suggests we would reluctantly accept Matt Flynn as our QB. Right now 58% say no to Flynn while 42% says yes. Those aren't good numbers for Matt Flynn but when you compare them to Ryan Tannehill it's a landslide. Currently Tannehill is 95% No and 5% Yes.

I'd be curious to see a poll where we list all the options
Tannehill
Flynn
Weeden
McCoy
Other

I have a sneaking suspicion Weeden might win.
 
So there are 2 polls out there now for our next QB. This poll suggests we would reluctantly accept Matt Flynn as our QB. Right now 58% say no to Flynn while 42% says yes. Those aren't good numbers for Matt Flynn but when you compare them to Ryan Tannehill it's a landslide. Currently Tannehill is 95% No and 5% Yes.

I'd be curious to see a poll where we list all the options
Tannehill
Flynn
Weeden
McCoy
Other

I have a sneaking suspicion Weeden might win.

To which I don't get because Weeden didn't at least play pro-football before being given a chance like Warner (AFL and NFL Europe). Weeden's age scares me and makes me want to think he is another John Beck (26 at time drafted due to being in a mission at BYU), Chris Weinke (who did the baseball route) or Drew Henson (Who also flamed out of baseball).

Also Weeden's shoulder is a concern. He never had surgery on a torn labrum and said throwing a football doesn't hurt. Well is that going to be the same once he hits 30? What about having to throw much more in the pros than he did in college (between OTAs, Mini Camps, Training Camp, Practice, Pre-season and regular season)? It may be worth it if he was younger then you can draft him have him have the surgery to repair the shoulder (sitting him for a year) then be your starter going into next season.
 
Name me a single team that the talent made the QB better and that the QB didn't make the talent around them better? Did the Colts have superior talent to the Browns? What about Carolina? They had pretty much the same talent with Clausen that they did with Cam Newton. Clausen was very McCoy like in his 1 season (13 games) that Steve Smith barely broke 500 yards receiving. Everyone said smith was done. This was the 2010 Panthers Scored 196 points (12.2/g), 32nd of 32 in the NFL. Steve Smith, Brandon Lafell and David Gettis were your WRs. No one broke 600 yards receiving.

In 2011 Steve Smith had 1394 yards receivng. Gettis wasn't on the team and Lafell had 613 yards. They also doubled their point total from 196 to over 400. Only major change was adding the QB. Otherwise what did they do differently that Smith couldn't hit 600 yards receiving with Clausen but hit over 1000 with Newton (both rookies)?

Challenge accepted.

Patriots draft Drew Bledsoe #1 overall in 1993. He goes 5-7 with a 15 TD to 15 INT ratio and completes 49.9% of his passes.
Over the next three years they add Curtis Martin to the backfield and add Terry Glenn to the receiving corps. as well as rebuild the offensive line. End result?
In1996, Bledsoe completes 60% of his passes, has 27 TDs to 15 INTs and goes 11-5.

JMCurry08 said:
And they went to that game called the Super Bowl
 
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Challenge accepted.

Patriots draft Drew Bledsoe #1 overall in 1993. He goes 5-7 with a 15 TD to 15 INT ratio and completes 49.9% of his passes.
Over the next three years they add Curtis Martin to the backfield and add Terry Glenn to the receiving corps. as well as rebuild the offensive line. End result?
In1996, Bledsoe completes 60% of his passes, has 27 TDs to 15 INTs and goes 11-5.

And they went to that game called the Super Bowl
 

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