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The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

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Question: I get the usual magical/supernatural stuff like the warlocks, dragons, wargs and wights. But the Lord of Light really intrigues me. So far Melisandre and Thoros (sp?) have shown immense power in the show, will all of these be explained? I ask because the show so far hasn't indicated about the origins of their power, it instead portrays it as a higher power that is just 'there'. Their abilities are just so mysterious and powerful to the point of being vague.

It hasn't been answered in the books yet, but there are still two books left, so it obviously could be.

It is, however, implied that the power that Thoros and Melisandre (and others) exhibit has to do with the return of the dragons. I believe this was mentioned in season two when the pyromancers explained that they were suddenly able to create wildfire quicker and easier than before; that their spells had grown more potent for no conceivable reason (of course, we can intuit the reason).

In the books (and possibly on the show...can't remember) Thoros mentions that he has performed the "red kiss" (a funeral ritual) many times, but that it wasn't until he performed it on Lord Beric that it actually brought someone back to life.

Magic obviously existed prior to Dany bringing dragons back into the world, but it seemed to be dying out, or at least weakening.

Also:

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Is it ever explained what happened to Stannis' daughters face?

And when you answer please swear it by the old Gods and new.
 
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She has a disease called grayscale...I thought it was explained already.
 
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*Non-book reader*

I come here to read up on the discussion about the latest episode and, as usual, have fun doing it as checking this thread lets me confirm my understanding of the story. I really do appreciate the guys who use the spoiler tags so as not to suspend the wonder provided by the show. (As I was typing this, I read Rich's last post lol)

Question: I get the usual magical/supernatural stuff like the warlocks, dragons, wargs and wights. But the Lord of Light really intrigues me. So far Melisandre and Thoros (sp?) have shown immense power in the show, will all of these be explained? I ask because the show so far hasn't indicated about the origins of their power, it instead portrays it as a higher power that is just 'there'. Their abilities are just so mysterious and powerful to the point of being vague.

Anyway, like I said, I come here for the discussion about the latest episode so if I may politely request for us to be more stringent with spoiler tags whether they contain theories - because they still involve advanced book knowledge - or not? I know it is the GoT thread and I don't mean to be a pain in the ass. :chuckles:

This is a good question and honestly I don't think there has been an answer and I don't know if there will be. What I can say is this. In the books there is a clear timeline of when magical things start being shown to us, and it's after the dragons come back into the world. The entire first book is largely void of magic and the supernatural. And as soon as the dragons are born, the beginning of the very next book we see melisandre, and we see people warging and we see white walkers. So at this point, I'm not sure if the magic actually comes from a deity, as we've seen those with magical powers that don't seem to worship the Red God, like the Warlocks in Qarth, or if magic is merely part of the world and the dragons returning has enhanced it again.

Martin has talked about how much he respects Tolkein, but how he felt one of the big weaknesses of LoTR was the lack of any talk about religion. He obviously has made it part of his goal to really explore religion, but it's hard to say at this point if he plans making any of them "real." I mean I'm leaning towards no at the moment. After re-watching the third season when Melisandre meets Thoros and she asks Beric what the other side is like. Remember, she believes in a heaven, and we found that out in the last episode. But Beric told her there was only darkness, which tends to go against the idea of a god and an afterlife.

As for my theories above, they're really just shots in the dark. Nothing has been proven in the books, or even close to it at this point. They all might mean nothing in the end. But the show has mentioned Azor Ahai and Old Nan did talk about the Last Hero in season 1. The only thing we haven't heard is about the Prince that was Promised, but that's because the showrunners took it out. You learn about that prophecy in book 2 when Dany is in the House of the Undying. So, to me, that actually points to that whole theory maybe being a red herring entirely. But who knows.
 
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That's not entirely true. Mirri Maz Duur performed her blood magic ritual, which seemed pretty powerful, prior to Dany's dragons being born.

But by and large, you're right...it seems like fire magic, at least, reappeared with the rebirth of the dragons.
 
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That's not entirely true. Mirri Maz Duur performed her blood magic ritual, which seemed pretty powerful, prior to Dany's dragons being born.

But by and large, you're right...it seems like fire magic, at least, reappeared with the rebirth of the dragons.

Yea that's why I said largely void. There's also the wight in Castle Black.
 
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Has anyone ever seen or discussed this before?

http://branvras.free.fr/HuisClos/HuisClos.html
http://branvras.free.fr/HuisClos/Contents.html

Some pretty intensely thought out stuff for those who are particularly fond of the North, The Stark Bannermen, and the conditions in the North during ADWD and heading into TWOW

I honestly could see it being something like all of our favorite characters save the day, die in the battle, and Littlefinger takes the throne at the end of the books.

That said, I'm gonna read more about each of the three heroes, which all seem to be the same hero and most people assume are. I'm developing an interesting theory here that will probably be wrong, but oh well.

Basically, my thinking is this, if you look at Old Nan's story about the last hero and what he did, that sounds a lot like Bran. So I'm wondering if its possible that three heroes, while they may have been one person thousands of years ago, will now be represented by three different people. Dany as the Prince that was promised and Jon as Azor Ahai? I'm really only basing this on the fact that Old Nan's story seems to only fit Bran and will only fit Bran. He's going to be, it seems, the only person that seeks out the Children of the Forest to enlist their help.

EDIT: If you really wanna go down the rabbit hole, this is a website dedicated to pretty much everything winterfell after Theon takes. Digging very, very deep.

http://branvras.free.fr/HuisClos/Contents.html

I thought of it just last night, lol.

I think he's probably wrong on most of it. And not that I know the answers to the questions he's trying to solve. Just that, generally, when you really start going down the rabbit hole, you end being wrong a lot of the time. The answer is simple more often than not. But it's still an extremely interesting read.
 
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I thought of it just last night, lol.

I think he's probably wrong on most of it. And not that I know the answers to the questions he's trying to solve. Just that, generally, when you really start going down the rabbit hole, you end being wrong a lot of the time. The answer is simple more often than not. But it's still an extremely interesting read.

I'm an IDIOT.

Just know realizing that the whole reason I looked at that site in the first place was from reading through this thread earlier today at work and seeing your post and link. Talk about getting lost in the rabbithole:doh:
 
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I feel like this analysis of the Winterfell plot lines is longer than the damn fifth book.
 
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It's really a good read though. Just generally, when you start spiraling down into the complex and strange, you'll end be wrong more than you're right. Most things are simple.

Think about True Detective and Mad Men last season, the theories started really getting in depth and complex...and they were wrong. The answers weren't that difficult.
 
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I don't know in this case though, because GRRM has shown in the first five books that he will do this sort of foreshadowing and behind the scenes movements with his characters. It does sound crazy, I don't think I believe it, but I also understand that it seems wrong for these staunch, loyal, proud northmen to switch allegiances knowing how their former lords suffered and whose hand was responsible for it.
 
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Can someone sum it up in like a paragraph?
 
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Can someone sum it up in like a paragraph?

No. :chuckles:

That's not even a dick comment. Dude even has a summary page that took me 45 minutes to read. That was the abridged version.
 

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