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The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

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Interesting take on number 3 there. I'm really starting to question how much some of the prophecies can be trusted. Like I'm looking at Quaithe at this point as a probable villain, someone using prophecy to get what she wants, and distorting the truth of the matter.

Also, just reading around and I'm seeing comments that GRRM said no POV character would ever go to Asshai? I can't find a quote from him on that though, but man would that be a huge relief.

Yeah I've read those comments about never actually going to Asshai as well. Never from George himself, but I have read them. I'm guessing you've read similar things. It makes sense, though. There's just not enough time to get to Asshai, and I think
Dany will be coming home in book six. The story seems set up for that outcome with the Iron Fleet about to arrive at Meereen and Dany likely heading back that way with her new Dothraki horde.

As far as prophesies go, they've been ridiculously accurate so far in the books. We've seen the Ghost of High Heart predict various things, including the Red Wedding,
Balon's death (at the hands of a Faceless Man hired by Euron, most like)
, and Sansa's poison hairnet. She also predicted that Cat would be at the Twins and not Riverrun when the Brotherhood was taking Arya there. We've seen Thoros see the
Lannister armies around Riverrun
in the fires. We've seen Melisandre see countless things in hers, and even if she sometimes misinterprets the visions, thus far they all seem to be legit.

Moqorro has similarly seen things in his fire that we know to be true, as has Benerro,
who predicted the Stinky Steward would be boarded and those on it would end up outside Mereen rather than the original destination
. Patchface predicted the red wedding as well. Many of Dany's visions in the House of the Undying have come to pass, including the red wedding (seems like fucking everyone saw that coming except Robb :chuckles: ), and in Winds we'll get confirmation of whether or not the cloth dragon on the poles amidst a cheering crowd is
Aegon taking King's Landing
, as is the common interpretation. Oh yeah, and Maggy the Frog predicted that Cercei would have three children and Robert over a dozen, and that Cercei would marry the king rather than the prince, and several other things as well that will likely come to pass.

The list goes on and on.

I definitely agree with the idea that prophecy is a sword without a hilt, but it seems to be a goddamn effective one so far.
 
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This thread is back to looking like a redacted CIA document... :chuckles:

I'm at the point where I'm afraid that D&D will find most of the stuff in AFFC and ADWD that doesn't feature Jon, Sansa, Dany, Tyrion, Arya, some of Brienne, and the King's landing stuff to be not suitable for television. Theon's Arc in ADWD is my favorite but we are already eating into his story. So much of Feast is the Greyjoys and the Martells. The thing is, we aren't sure how important those storylines will be in future books. The Greyjoy story may seem superfluous now, but it looks like they will play a key role in
Dany/Tyrions story in TWOW and beyond. and the Dornish could be huge in the politics of King's Landing as well.

I have so much faith in D&D though that I think they could make these sub-par stories actually interesting. I hope they limit the amount of cutting they do.

Brevity is not always a bad thing. Being able to tell a full, rich story while making it feel brief is a skill that all story-tellers should hope to obtain.

Here's the thing, they've said now multiple times, 7 seasons. And they know how the story ends. So if they say 7 seasons, and they've already spent two seasons on one book, they must know that there are quite a few plot lines that can be cut out while not missing something important. My guess is that its gonna come from your Greyjoy POV characters, like Aeron, and your Dorne POV characters, like Arianne and Quentyn. I would understand your fear that they might miss something important that we don't know about if they didn't already know how the story ends in the first place.
 
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I actually thought the Jaime/Cersei scene was pretty similar to the book if you paid really close attention. I will say that I'd probably consider it rape if I hadn't read the books. The director should have framed it better, had Cersei's movements more obvious, etc... I definitely didn't see it as all Jaime. Regardless, I think it's a big problem if most people do see it as a rape scene.
 
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Brevity is not always a bad thing. Being able to tell a full, rich story while making it feel brief is a skill that all story-tellers should hope to obtain.

Here's the thing, they've said now multiple times, 7 seasons. And they know how the story ends. So if they say 7 seasons, and they've already spent two seasons on one book, they must know that there are quite a few plot lines that can be cut out while not missing something important. My guess is that its gonna come from your Greyjoy POV characters, like Aeron, and your Dorne POV characters, like Arianne and Quentyn. I would understand your fear that they might miss something important that we don't know about if they didn't already know how the story ends in the first place.

100% agreed. There are less than 30 hours of programming available once this season concludes. To waste even minutes on minutiae to appeal to book readers is stupid. I'd also hope that however this ends up being resolved is done in time that we get a bit of a victory lap at the end.

Also idle speculation, but episode 6:9 should theoretically have some sort of massive dragon type battle that puts Blackwater to shame. Unless the story goes in a completely different direction.
 
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100% agreed. There are less than 30 hours of programming available once this season concludes. To waste even minutes on minutiae to appeal to book readers is stupid. I'd also hope that however this ends up being resolved is done in time that we get a bit of a victory lap at the end.

Also idle speculation, but episode 6:9 should theoretically have some sort of massive dragon type battle that puts Blackwater to shame. Unless the story goes in a completely different direction.

I'm just curious how in the hell they are going to finish four books in three seasons of television when it has taken them four seasons so far to get through three books. I fully accept that books four and five will largely be condensed into next season (with some stuff happening this year), but I have to assume that Winds and Dream will be much more eventful novels similar to book three rather than primarily travelogues and world-building like the fourth and fifth books.

I just don't see it being realistic to finish in seven seasons. Eight seems perfect given what we know right now. Seven seems like too much will have to be cut and I really think the last two seasons will feel incredibly rushed if they do it that way.

This season has been the best start out of any of them so far, and it's because there is plenty going on, but also because the show doesn't feel like it's in a rush to get to everything, which is what made season two the worst of the bunch. Last season was pretty good too, and it was similarly well-paced for the most part.
 
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I mean I understand the concern, but it's not like they've said they "hope" they can do it in 7. They've been saying that 7 seasons actually feels right. And you know what, between me and them, they would know better wouldn't they? They've read the first five books just like me, but they also know where it's ultimately going, unlike me. If they say 7 seasons feels right, they'd be in a better position to know.
 
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I mean I understand the concern, but it's not like they've said they "hope" they can do it in 7. They've been saying that 7 seasons actually feels right. And you know what, between me and them, they would know better wouldn't they? They've read the first five books just like me, but they also know where it's ultimately going, unlike me. If they say 7 seasons feels right, they'd be in a better position to know.

My concern is that HBO is saying seven so they don't have to renegotiate contracts for the eighth season or that D&D are saying seven because they are getting burnt out with running the show. Either of those scenarios could lead to a much less satisfactory ending to the show.
 
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My concern is that HBO is saying seven so they don't have to renegotiate contracts for the eighth season or that D&D are saying seven because they are getting burnt out with running the show. Either of those scenarios could lead to a much less satisfactory ending to the show.

I think it's the latter. They've just announced that they plan on working on a movie together in the future. As fun as the show is to us, dedicating that many years to it would be beyond taxing. I'm sure HBO would like to keep this thing going as long as it's profitable, even if that means salary hikes for the actors. D&D likely decided on that number and HBO won't continue if they bow out. I really doubt anyone could jump in and take over for them adequately at this juncture. I agree though that 8 would likely be perfect.
 
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I sure hope Jon Snow doesn't decide to become a lumberjack.
 
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I think it's the latter. They've just announced that they plan on working on a movie together in the future. As fun as the show is to us, dedicating that many years to it would be beyond taxing. I'm sure HBO would like to keep this thing going as long as it's profitable, even if that means salary hikes for the actors. D&D likely decided on that number and HBO won't continue if they bow out. I really doubt anyone could jump in and take over for them adequately at this juncture. I agree though that 8 would likely be perfect.

Yeah, the movie thing popping up right when they started getting more firm about seven seasons was the reason I thought they might be getting burnt out on running Thrones.

I just honestly don't see how they can cut two (presumably) huge books into two seasons of television when it's taking them damn near two seasons just to adapt Storms. Also, given how rushed their adaptation of Clash in season two felt, you'd think that they would want an extra season so they could split the final two books into roughly a season and a half each. This would also provide budgetary leeway for more epic set-pieces, of which the last two books are sure to have many.
 
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The other thing no one has really brought up is seven seasons doesn't necessarily mean seven years. It just means seven contractual seasons.

Mad Men is only seven seasons long, but Season 7 is 1.5x longer than the others, and runs over the course of two years. So the entire series will run over eight years. Same with The Sopranos. Same with Breaking Bad, only that was five seasons.

So HBO may only be doing seven "seasons", but Season 7 could realistically be 16 episodes long and split over 2 years, and won't affect actor contracts.
 
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The other thing no one has really brought up is seven seasons doesn't necessarily mean seven years. It just means seven contractual seasons.

Mad Men is only seven seasons long, but Season 7 is 1.5x longer than the others, and runs over the course of two years. So the entire series will run over eight years. Same with The Sopranos. Same with Breaking Bad, only that was five seasons.

So HBO may only be doing seven "seasons", but Season 7 could realistically be 16 episodes long and split over 2 years, and won't affect actor contracts.

That definitely could be, but the difference between those shows and Game of Thrones is the massive production cost and production time in comparison. I'm not sure if that would factor in or not, but it could.
 
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I guess I've just decided I'm not going to question their decision when they have both been spot on up to this point AND have superior knowledge than I about everything that necessarily needs to be covered.
 
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There are three specific choices Martin has made that, over time, I've come to not really like and I'm thinking it's gonna really turn off show only people.

2.
Whatever it is they do with the Mountain. This one isn't as forgivable. We're gonna turn this guy into a walking zombie because...well just because. And with what power? Well, Cersei's new Maester and his experiments. Which begs the question, if he can turn one dead man into a zombie, why not more? Really not a fan of Zombie Mountain AT ALL.
/rant

I think they've made it pretty clear that it takes a lot of effort and resources to do that.
Qyburn
has been working on it for quite a while. Also, I have a feeling that it is not going to work out as well as he expects, and something is going to go badly wrong.
 
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