The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

[Jack Brickman]

I'm assuming that the squire wiping the weapons with a cloth was supposed to be the subtle hint at Oberyn poisoning his weapons. I'm trying to remember that from the books, all I recall is Tyrion seeing a glint on the end of his spear or something before the batle and wondering if it had been poisoned.

Tyrion notes that the blade has been oiled, if I recall correctly.

 

[CardiacCavs]

Tyrion notes that the blade has been oiled, if I recall correctly.

Gregor also smashed the first so who knows what his squire or whatever was doing with that 2nd spear, the only one that made contact with the Mountain's skin IIRC.

 

[Chris]

Tyrion notes that the blade has been oiled, if I recall correctly.

He doesn't say anything about poison? I swear I remember him wondering if it's just been oiled or if it was poisoned.

Either way we know the Mountain dies of his wounds festering for days (weeks?) afterwards and nothing halting the corruption despite the Maesters' best efforts, so we know that they were indeed poisoned weapons.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Gregor also smashed the first so who knows what his squire or whatever was doing with that 2nd spear, the only one that made contact with the Mountain's skin IIRC.

That didn't happen in the books, so I'm not sure what the implication was on the show. I would assume that both blades were poisoned, as were any others that he had in reserve. Oberyn couldn't have known his first spear would be broken for certain, so it must have been poisoned as well, assuming they stick with that plotline.

He doesn't say anything about poison? I swear I remember him wondering if it's just been oiled or if it was poisoned.

Either way we know the Mountain dies of his wounds festering for days (weeks?) afterwards and nothing halting the corruption despite the Maesters' best efforts, so we know that they were indeed poisoned weapons.

I think all he mentions is that the blade was oiled. I think that, in the books, we were supposed to intuit that the oil was poison given what we knew about the Red Viper (which was substantially more than what they've revealed on the show) and his history. One of the first things we learned about him, after all, was that he allegedly poisoned a blade during his first duel (which was not to the death) as a young man.

 

[CardiacCavs]

Well, either way it is pretty obvious that Gregor gets poisoned and dies a terrible death...maybe.... :chuckles:


Whose skull gets sent to Dorne?

 

[Chris]

That didn't happen in the books, so I'm not sure what the implication was on the show. I would assume that both blades were poisoned, as were any others that he had in reserve. Oberyn couldn't have known his first spear would be broken for certain, so it must have been poisoned as well, assuming they stick with that plotline.



I think all he mentions is that the blade was oiled. I think that, in the books, we were supposed to intuit that the oil was poison given what we knew about the Red Viper (which was substantially more than what they've revealed on the show) and his history. One of the first things we learned about him, after all, was that he allegedly poisoned a blade during his first duel (which was not to the death) as a young man.

I know I'm a nerd but I just whipped out ASOS, and the exact quote was... "Oil? Or poison? Tyrion supposed he would rather not know."

Oberyn also says, upon Tyrion getting nervous that he is fighting with a spear and not a sword, "Have a look, Lord Imp, but do not touch." :chuckles:

 

[Jack Brickman]

Well, either way it is pretty obvious that Gregor gets poisoned and dies a terrible death...maybe.... :chuckles:

Whose skull gets sent to Dorne?

Pretty sure it was legitimately the Mountain's skull. He wears a full helm when he reappears in the fifth book, and Bran's vision in book one seems to imply that there is no head inside that helmet.

I know I'm a nerd but I just whipped out ASOS, and the exact quote was... "Oil? Or poison? Tyrion supposed he would rather not know."

Oberyn also says, upon Tyrion getting nervous that he is fighting with a spear and not a sword, "Have a look, Lord Imp, but do not touch." :chuckles:

There you go.

 

[theSTEREO.]

Pretty sure it was legitimately the Mountain's skull. He wears a full helm when he reappears in the fifth book, and Bran's vision in book one seems to imply that there is no head inside that helmet.

There you go.

Which vision?

 

[Chris]

Man, every time I pick the books up to read a couple paragraphs I end up reading a chapter. Oberyn and Tyrion have much more dialogue before the fight, with Oberyn even mentioning that "after today's bloodletting, perhaps you will accompany me to Dorne" and goes on about Dorne possibly crowning Myrcella and her having good use of an uncle's counsel in that situation. The books are so much better than the show, I am reminded of that every time I open them. The show is a fantastic streamlining of the story, though.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Which vision?

Where he sees a man in armor made of stone, but when he opens the visor there's nothing inside but darkness and thick, black blood. I believe we've discussed this vision on here before, and that it almost undoubtedly refers to Ser Robert Strong.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Re: The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread

I stopped reading their reviews. I just skip down to see the book-to-screen translation stuff.

Edited to add: So I just went ahead and read their review, and they laughably tried to rip the fight scene to shreds. And then all the comments below rip them right back. :chuckles:

I feel sorry for Ran sometimes. I have strongly suspect that he doesn't always agree with all of his own reviews.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Okay, so here's something I've really been wondering about.

The show has added more scenes between Tyrion and Jaime in which Tyrion conclusively, and rather convincingly, denies having killed Joffrey. So, are we going to get Tyrion lying to Jaime and saying he did kill Joffrey, or not?

 

[kosis]

Okay, so here's something I've really been wondering about.

The show has added more scenes between Tyrion and Jaime in which Tyrion conclusively, and rather convincingly, denies having killed Joffrey. So, are we going to get Tyrion lying to Jaime and saying he did kill Joffrey, or not?

Nope. That came as a result of Jaime telling him the truth about Tysha... the same Tysha the show has forgotten about and will likely never mention again, sadly. His future travel thoughts mentioning love will likely all focus on Shae.

EDIT: Not to mention that it's painfully obvious that Tyrion didn't kill Joffrey. If it's obvious to the most casual of show watchers, I'm sure it's even more so to Jaime.

 

[Chris]

No idea where you get that. Why would they even bring it up multiple times in the show even though the last reference was last season if they dont intend to use it in that scene? What could Jaime possibly say about Shae that makes Tyrion turn on him?

 

[Jack Brickman]

Nope. That came as a result of Jaime telling him the truth about Tysha... the same Tysha the show has forgotten about and will likely never mention again, sadly. His future travel thoughts mentioning love will likely all focus on Shae.

EDIT: Not to mention that it's painfully obvious that Tyrion didn't kill Joffrey. If it's obvious to the most casual of show watchers, I'm sure it's even more so to Jaime.

That makes no sense. They specifically had Shae betray him in the trial so that he can be bitter enough to kill her in two weeks. I'm sure the Tysha scene will proceed as it did in the books. Tyrion's turn to the dark side can't happen properly without that.