The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

[Rich]

@The Human Q-Tip

Here's one: Did the Freys deserve what they got for betraying House Stark? Even though House Stark was in technical rebellion to the Crown?

Because the Tarlys did the same thing, only instead of a wedding, they walked into Highgarden and did it.

 

[godfather]

@Rich

I don't think deserve has anything to do with it.

Daenerys didn't kill them that way because they deserved it. She did it to evoke fear for everyone else to follow order. Once they saw the Dragons, the rest of the Lannister army fell in line fast.

I believe Tyrion argued for them to at least be beheaded? I can't recall exactly.

She's becoming more tyrannical as a ruler that she claims she's not going to end up being. And for question why didn't she take King's Landing right away.

She WANTED to.

Tyrion had to talk her out of it. For the moment, at times, Tyrion has been able to keep a lid on her from turning directly into her father.

I don't think that's Daenerys true purpose. But when shit goes bad, she just reverts into that mindset.

I got to see that episode again. So I might be missing parts. I was planning my re-watch of Game of Thrones. I always re-watch before the new season.

And was NOT aware it was on this Sunday!!!!! (yes I know, how can I not know -- I've been busy with work these few months I lost track). I only made it up to the first 4 episodes of season 7. And just watched the last episode of season 7 last night then the premiere.

So I missed that particular episode on my re-watch. I'm going to watch it this Wednesday.

She executed them in that fashion to make a spectucal and evoke fear for everyone else to follow order at the protest of Tyrion.

To make a point he's losing grip on keeping her from turning into her father.

 

[Jack Brickman]

For all the Olly hate, he did have the most unintentionally hilarious moment of the entire show:

I fucking laughed out loud when he nodded the first time I saw it. Amazing moment.

 

[godfather]

For all the Olly hate, he did have the most unintentionally hilarious moment of the entire show:

I fucking laughed out loud when he nodded the first time I saw it. Amazing moment.

That was a hell of shot. Right in her heart, from that distance.

 

[Jack Brickman]

That was a hell of shot. Right in her heart, from that distance.

He was the best archer in his village, motherfucker.

 

[godfather]

Wonder if that old cunt Lady Olenna is to blame. She told Daenerys to be a dragon, don't listen to Tyrion. She didn't outlast everyone so long from listening to wise men, blah, blah...

Then Lady Olenna gets owned by the dumbest Lannister. Not sure her advice was all that great after all.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

He was the best archer in his village, motherfucker.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Wonder if that old cunt Lady Olenna is to blame. She told Daenerys to be a dragon, don't listen to Tyrion. She didn't outlast everyone so long from listening to wise men, blah, blah...

Then Lady Olenna gets owned by the dumbest Lannister. Not sure her advice was all that great after all.

Well, I think there's a non-zero chance that Tyrion betrays her at some point, so maybe Olenna wasn't entirely wrong.

And really, Dany should have flown her dragons to King's Landing and melted the Red Keep to nothing, killing Cercei and all her puppets while sparing the rest of the city. Would have solved a lot of problems. Willing to bet the remaining Lannister armies would have bent the knee with no one left alive to pay them.

 

[Rich]

Wonder if that old cunt Lady Olenna is to blame. She told Daenerys to be a dragon, don't listen to Tyrion. She didn't outlast everyone so long from listening to wise men, blah, blah...

Then Lady Olenna gets owned by the dumbest Lannister. Not sure her advice was all that great after all.

Fucking Tyrion was wrong the whole fucking season.

@The Human Q-Tip She SHOULD HAVE TAKEN KINGS LANDING. Out of all the people I'd think to advocate for trying to win a war peacefully, I'd have thought of you last.

Here's Tyrion's ideas last season:

1) Take Casterly Rock- Failure

2) Sail the Dornish fleet SOuth- Failure

3) Send Jon Snow to capture a wight- Failure of epic, earth shattering proportions.

4) Believe Cersei was sending people North- Failure.

The absolute irony of laughing at Olenna's death is that she died because of Tyrion's absolutely shit fucking war strategy. Amazing

He failed at literally every single thing last season.

Man, y'all read Book 3 and when Dany hears "Be a Dragon" you guys honestly thought "OH NO SHES GOING MAD?!?!" Didn't you.

Her ass NEEDS to get ruthless in the books and just start slaughtering the Masters and the Harpies at her leisure. This isn't patty cake out here. Some people need to die. That's fucking war.

 

[Rich]

@Rich

I don't think deserve has anything to do with it.

Daenerys didn't kill them that way because they deserved it. She did it to evoke fear for everyone else to follow order. Once they saw the Dragons, the rest of the Lannister army fell in line fast.

I believe Tyrion argued for them to at least be beheaded? I can't recall exactly.

She's becoming more tyrannical as a ruler that she claims she's not going to end up being. And for question why didn't she take King's Landing right away.

She WANTED to.

Tyrion had to talk her out of it. For the moment, at times, Tyrion has been able to keep a lid on her from turning directly into her father.

I don't think that's Daenerys true purpose. But when shit goes bad, she just reverts into that mindset.

I got to see that episode again. So I might be missing parts. I was planning my re-watch of Game of Thrones. I always re-watch before the new season.

And was NOT aware it was on this Sunday!!!!! (yes I know, how can I not know -- I've been busy with work these few months I lost track). I only made it up to the first 4 episodes of season 7. And just watched the last episode of season 7 last night then the premiere.

So I missed that particular episode on my re-watch. I'm going to watch it this Wednesday.

She executed them in that fashion to make a spectucal and evoke fear for everyone else to follow order at the protest of Tyrion.

To make a point he's losing grip on keeping her from turning into her father.

Lol all executions are done for the spectacle. Jon didn't take Janos Slynt out back and behead him. He did it in front of everyone so they could see what happens to men who disobey orders.

It seems people have a particular bone to pick with dying by dragon fire but man, I bet Lord Karstark wishes he could have died that way instead of a failed beheading. I bet that didn't feel too fucking great.

And even though no one wants to admit this, there's something inherently sexist about following the Ned Stark "the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword" literally. Like, if it MUST be a literal beheading and it MUST be done be the one who passes the sentence...you get the problem? THat means women can't pass sentences because they can't properly behead someone.

ANd like I said above, she SHOULD have taken King's Landing right away. Would have saved lives and time. Kinda like the A-Bomb. That's what should have happened. Tyrion, the dumbass that he's turned into, advised against the sound, practical decision and what did he get for it? The Unsullied taking a worthless keep, the Iron fleet wiped out, and High garden sacked.

Those three things are a DIRECT result of Tyrion's masterful advice. And this is who the audience is supposed to trust when he starts to get worried about Daenerys?

And btw everyone should prepare their delicate sensibilities now, because when Jaime informs everyone Cersei lied, Daenerys is going to lose her shit with Tyrion. *Gasp* A woman showing anger at an adviser who continuously fails? SHE MUST BE GOING MAD I TELL YOU!!!

 

[Jack Brickman]

Here's Tyrion's ideas last season:

1) Take Casterly Rock- Failure

To be fair, he totally succeeded at this one.

Just didn't matter.

 

[Rich]

To be fair, he totally succeeded at this one.

Just didn't matter.

Well this ain't horseshoes.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Well this ain't horseshoes.

Hey, you said: Take Casterly Rock - Failure

Taking Casterly Rock was objectively not a failure. They took Casterly Rock.

Jaime just rooked Tyrion.

 

[Sebastian]

Really?

Because I have to say, I think one should be more reluctant to execute a child than a prisoner of war.

I mean if we're gonna apply our modern moral standards and give these men Geneva convention rights, then where in a first world country is it ok to execute a 12 year old boy, no matter his crime?

And in defense of Daenerys, they also refused to go to the Wall.

I mean didn't Tyrion threaten Slynt with the same thing? Go to the Wall or I'm going to have you killed.

By all Medieval laws, which the show bases its Westerosi culture, a Lord guilty of treason, and not submitting to the monarch is treason, is punishable by death.

While the Tarlys didn't necessarily owe Dany fealty as she was not the enthroned Queen, in practice civil wars like the one depicted means legitimacy is in flux. Witness Stannis at the Wall and the Watch behaving as if he was the King.

So Tarly would have been dead anyway. However, under those Medieval laws, how one executed a noble was clear and understood. Tarley, by right and by law, should have been beheaded.

You notice that the Mad King burned the Starks and this method of execution was seen as not only brutal but wholly illegal that was so outside of the law that it was a legitimate excuse for rebellion. Yes, that is right, Medieval cultures considered brutal actions outside the law by a monarch as tyrannical and thus rebellion becoming an expected result as a quasi-legal response.

So, yes, Tarly actually left Dany no choice but to kill him. Every law of Westeros indicated that his refusal to submit, and refusal to join the Black, meant he was in willful disobedience and that is treason.

But Dany should not have killed him the way she did and in fact killing him in that fashion can be considered not only illegal, but also an act of tyranny.

 

[godfather]

Well yes, technically Jaime actually owned Tyrion. But still Olenna slipped up too, and didn't see it coming.

I don't really think Jaime is dumb. I was joking as he's perceived to be the least intelligent Lannister on the show; compared to Tyrion, Tywin and Cersei. But was actually the slyest and the most reasonable one last season.

Even Cersei is slippin'. He's come a long way since the first season.